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Aug 24, 2016 6:21 PM CST
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Well, since a weed is technically an undesirable/unwanted plant, you clearly don't want yours... Whistling
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Aug 24, 2016 6:52 PM CST
Name: Greg Hodgkinson
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Quote from NGA/ATP ADMIN on the "Goners" thread.

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Aug 24, 2016 3:00 PM CDT

Due to an excessive amount of reports issued concerning a member posting in this thread (SpringGreenThumb), that member has automatically been removed from this forum by the Garden.org software. They can no longer post or read the threads in this forum. Thank you to those who issued reports. "

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Aug 24, 2016 7:14 PM CST
Name: Barbalee
Amarillo, TX (Zone 6b)
Some great thoughts here, particularly those kicked off by Pam since I last read in this section. Not long ago, I asked a question that was a real question on my front, and somebody answered "You must be kidding." For about 2 seconds my feelings were hurt and I was tempted to make a reply...I didn't. The next day someone answered it, and it was a D'Oh! question to almost everyone, but not newbie me! I have learned a great deal just being here, asking questions, and doing a lot of lurking. I know I have a lot yet to learn since this is my first year gardening. I certainly hope I've never hurt anyone's feelings, but I bet I have...it's all too easy to do even if totally unintentional. If someone reading this has ever had their feelings hurt, please forgive me as I'd never do that purposefully!! Lovey dubby
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Aug 24, 2016 7:18 PM CST
Name: Tom
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Some very thoughtful comments and suggestions made here. One of the jobs I had after I retired was working with the state's Department of Education. We worked with school building level teams to develop school improvement plans. Among the many things we did was to spend time learning about what team breaking habits we each held, and yes we all have them. No one is perfect. The hard thing to learn is that often we don't realize what our team breaking habits are. The other part of the process is to learn how to confront these issues in ways that allows each of us to maintain our self esteem. That's mostly the team facilitator's job. We don't have that here, so we need to inspect our own behaviors and try to avoid them, and when we do forget, someone forgets and tries to break the team so to speak, we can chose to ignore that behavior or take some action. What you do will depend on how much the team will loose by allowing that to pass. I know this is not a team in a real sense, yet there are a lot of parallels. Some of the team breaking behaviors were considered in the earlier posts. It should be realized that all team breaking behaviors are for the purpose of gaining control or position. Don't be scared by that comment, it's just a matter of fact. It's not usually done on purpose, although some times it is. Here are a few of the team breaking habits that I can remember, I'm sure you could google them and find all of them.

The Expert - always knows why everything is the way it is, and often expresses their positions.

The Agenda Grabber - They have their own agenda, and will get the group off track onto their topic.

The Blocker - They block progress by never agreeing or allowing the group to make a decison.

The silent member - they never say anything at the meeting, but after the meeting they back stab and agitate the team. (this would be the ones who garner support on here with private tree mails)

There's more, but my memory is busted today. But I think you see what I'm trying to get to. We are always the last to know our own weakness, but it's totally easy to see the other guys. Hilarious! Hilarious!

I know that change is uncomfortable, but we never will improve without some pain. If someone is made to feel uncomfortable by these comments and others stated, it means you have the opportunity to make some personal growth gains.

One of the ground rules that our teams had was, It's OK to disagree It's NO OK to be disagreeable.

I liked Bob's comments on our language is based somewhat on tonality. Just for fun think of all the ways you can change the meaning of this phrase just by changing the tone of different words.

This grass is great.

Now, we can watch for the agenda grabbers with this one ! Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing

At the end of the day, I think every one on here is great, no relationship, be it personal or professional can succeed without effort. OK, Now have you picked out my team breaking behavior yet??????? I'm no Angel Whistling
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Aug 24, 2016 7:31 PM CST
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Thanks for the informative post, Tom. If people get me on the right topic, I can certainly be guilty of being "The Expert"!

One thing that I recall from team-building activites at school and university was "active listening". In essence, it was to engage with whoever was speaking in some way (for example, even just acknowledging that you've heard what they said). I think there's an equivalent in written communication as well (how many times have you sent an email with questions or in response to somebody and the reply just skips over half of what you asked/said and only seems to address what the reader thought the gist of your message was?).
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Aug 24, 2016 7:48 PM CST
Name: Barbalee
Amarillo, TX (Zone 6b)
Tom, Wisconsin must be better than OK or NM (the states I've worked in as teacher and administrator) for having you!
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Aug 24, 2016 8:14 PM CST
Name: Robin
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Misawa77 said:Quote from NGA/ATP ADMIN on the "Goners" thread.

"admin
Aug 24, 2016 3:00 PM CDT

Due to an excessive amount of reports issued concerning a member posting in this thread (SpringGreenThumb), that member has automatically been removed from this forum by the Garden.org software. They can no longer post or read the threads in this forum. Thank you to those who issued reports. "

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I haven't been in the goners thread and wasn't aware of this. It is a shame things have escalated this far especially when it was probably nobody's intention to offend. Sad
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Aug 24, 2016 8:30 PM CST
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It wasn't only one incident/thread but has been ongoing off and on through several threads for a while.
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Aug 24, 2016 9:12 PM CST
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Barbalee said:Some great thoughts here, particularly those kicked off by Pam since I last read in this section. Not long ago, I asked a question that was a real question on my front, and somebody answered "You must be kidding." For about 2 seconds my feelings were hurt and I was tempted to make a reply...I didn't. The next day someone answered it, and it was a D'Oh! question to almost everyone, but not newbie me! I have learned a great deal just being here, asking questions, and doing a lot of lurking. I know I have a lot yet to learn since this is my first year gardening. I certainly hope I've never hurt anyone's feelings, but I bet I have...it's all too easy to do even if totally unintentional. If someone reading this has ever had their feelings hurt, please forgive me as I'd never do that purposefully!! Lovey dubby


Barbalee -- you're a peach!! Don't spend a minute worrying about hurting anyone's feelings. You're good!!!! Group hug
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Aug 25, 2016 7:52 AM CST
Name: Lucy
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All of us think you are great, Barbalee.
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Aug 25, 2016 7:53 AM CST
Name: Leslie
Durham, NC (Zone 8a)
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I agree
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Aug 25, 2016 8:12 AM CST
Name: Neal Linville
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Pam, that was an excellent post! I tip my hat to you.

Tom, you also added a lot of excellent points! Thumbs up

Barbalee, you have nothing to worry about, you're always a gem!
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Aug 25, 2016 8:49 AM CST
Name: Barbalee
Amarillo, TX (Zone 6b)
You guys are so sweet...and harboring a lurker and learner! Lovey dubby Lovey dubby
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Aug 25, 2016 8:52 AM CST
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Aug 25, 2016 8:56 AM CST
Name: Barbara
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irisarian said:All of us think you are great, Barbalee.


I think so too.
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Aug 25, 2016 9:36 AM CST
Name: John
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I agree Hurray! Hurray! Hurray! I tip my hat to you.
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Aug 25, 2016 9:40 AM CST
Name: Barbalee
Amarillo, TX (Zone 6b)
Wow! My hurt feeling thing of 2 seconds is well and truly cured! You guys are amazing! Thumbs up Lovey dubby
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Aug 25, 2016 9:43 AM CST
Name: Sherry Austin
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I'm sorry it came to that, and I'm sorry that this gal just didn't get it... but frankly, the tone of the forum had shifted considerably with her posts. I always felt comfortable with all you folks, but it was easier for me to back away and not participate in the forum, rather than be constantly irritated and made uncomfortable by one person.

I'm sure it was a hard decision to make for those who complained. I've chatted with most of you for a while now, and I think of all of you as kind and generous folks, so I know this wasn't a matter of anyone just being mean-spirited.
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Aug 25, 2016 9:46 AM CST
Name: Arlyn
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Amen !
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Aug 25, 2016 10:01 AM CST
Name: Greg Hodgkinson
Hanover PA (Zone 6b)
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Henhouse said:I'm sorry it came to that, and I'm sorry that this gal just didn't get it... but frankly, the tone of the forum had shifted considerably with her posts. I always felt comfortable with all you folks, but it was easier for me to back away and not participate in the forum, rather than be constantly irritated and made uncomfortable by one person.

I'm sure it was a hard decision to make for those who complained. I've chatted with most of you for a while now, and I think of all of you as kind and generous folks, so I know this wasn't a matter of anyone just being mean-spirited.


I completely agree with you Sherry. I felt the same way you did, but quite frankly, I was moving towards making a complaint or opening a discussion with the admins to alleviate the situation (I had considered writing to Betsy about it, but felt I would not have made an argument that would have taken root - yes, pun intended). The interesting thing about it; the "software" kicked her off. There is an algorithm within the software that "kicks you off". It is automatic. Very interesting

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