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May 6, 2014 2:38 AM CST
Name: Carole
Clarksville, TN (Zone 6b)
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Thanks for the information on the Green Zebra, Wes. I have seeds and have been wanting to get that one going. Have you had them fried?

Johnson grass can be lethal to cows and horses who graze on it. IMHO, it really is bad stuff. Zap it now!
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May 6, 2014 6:22 AM CST
Name: David Reaves
Austin, TX (Zone 8b)
Canning and food preservation Region: Texas Vegetable Grower Garden Ideas: Level 1
Gleni,

Don't panic about the Johnson grass. It, along with many other grasses, can develop excessive nitrates or Prussic acid-- if conditions are right. Johnson grass is used as a live grazing feed and for baling. It is not routinely toxic. It's fairly easy to control in a yard. Frequent mowing, keeping the grass short enough that it doesn't seed, will knock it back and other grasses will take over. If you dig out the roots are fairly large and easy to identify... Nothing like Bermuda grass!

David R
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May 6, 2014 6:50 AM CST
Name: Glen Ingram
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Thanks David.
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May 6, 2014 7:15 AM CST
Name: Carole
Clarksville, TN (Zone 6b)
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Well, guess I was wrong about that. Sorry. Just going by what I read and what they tell me around here. *Blush* I would still get rid of it, but that's just me.

http://www.tneppc.org/invasive...

Bermuda is a real problem here. That I DO know. Angry
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May 6, 2014 7:40 AM CST
Name: David Reaves
Austin, TX (Zone 8b)
Canning and food preservation Region: Texas Vegetable Grower Garden Ideas: Level 1
It is frequently invasive and CAN be toxic. I'd get rid of it (I did) in my yard too. No reason to apologize for sharing your thoughts!
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May 6, 2014 7:42 AM CST
Name: Carole
Clarksville, TN (Zone 6b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages Plant Identifier I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database. Avid Green Pages Reviewer
I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Garden Ideas: Master Level Cat Lover Birds Region: Tennessee Echinacea
Are you talking about the Bermuda being toxic?
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May 6, 2014 7:44 AM CST
Name: Carole
Clarksville, TN (Zone 6b)
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I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Garden Ideas: Master Level Cat Lover Birds Region: Tennessee Echinacea
You learn something new every day. At least hopefully so. Thumbs up
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May 6, 2014 8:00 AM CST
Name: tk
97478 (Zone 8b)

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And, you can learn something that's not really true every day too. Maybe ignorance IS bliss. ??????
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May 6, 2014 8:03 AM CST
Name: Carole
Clarksville, TN (Zone 6b)
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I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Garden Ideas: Master Level Cat Lover Birds Region: Tennessee Echinacea
I just hate to be the purveyor of misinformation. But sometimes that's how we learn. Thumbs up
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May 6, 2014 8:48 AM CST
Name: David Reaves
Austin, TX (Zone 8b)
Canning and food preservation Region: Texas Vegetable Grower Garden Ideas: Level 1
I meant the Johnson Grass, as you said.
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May 6, 2014 8:51 AM CST
Name: Carole
Clarksville, TN (Zone 6b)
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I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Garden Ideas: Master Level Cat Lover Birds Region: Tennessee Echinacea
Got it. Thumbs up
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May 6, 2014 8:51 AM CST
Name: Carole
Clarksville, TN (Zone 6b)
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Got a little off topic so now back to the Heirloom tomatoes. Sticking tongue out
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May 6, 2014 10:56 AM CST
Name: Rita
North Shore, Long Island, NY
Zone 6B
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Interesting info on Green Zebra. For myself, I do not want any Green When Ripe tomatoes. I need tomatoes to give away, everyone I know is waiting for tomatoes each season and I mean everyone. No use for an oddity like that around here for me.
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May 6, 2014 11:21 AM CST
Name: Rita
North Shore, Long Island, NY
Zone 6B
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Is Hillbilly supposed to be potato leafed? Mine isn't. It is regular leafed.
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May 6, 2014 11:34 AM CST
Name: Carole
Clarksville, TN (Zone 6b)
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Rita, this is the one I have ...

http://njaes.rutgers.edu/tomat...
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May 6, 2014 12:49 PM CST
Name: Arlene
Grantville, GA (Zone 8a)
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Oh Rita, you're missing out if you don't try some of the green tomatoes. Such flavor. I've done Green Zebra but I prefer Aunt Ruby's German Green. And yellows, Tree's Bottom is a great yellow.
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May 6, 2014 12:58 PM CST
Name: Rita
North Shore, Long Island, NY
Zone 6B
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SongofJoy said:Rita, this is the one I have ...

http://njaes.rutgers.edu/tomat...


Well, that picture looks like the tomato fruit on the label but the plants were not potato leafed. Crying Confused
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May 6, 2014 1:09 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
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Tatiana's TOMATOBase lists two distinct varieties.

http://t.tatianastomatobase.co... - - Heirloom tomato from West Virginia.

http://t.tatianastomatobase.co...
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May 6, 2014 1:12 PM CST
Name: Claud
Water Valley, Ms (Zone 7b)
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This is taken from a post at Tomatoville.com

April 14, 2013 #6
carolyn137
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Hillbilly is one of over maybe 200 known gold/red bicolors and first, a link from Tania's site:

http://t.tatianastomatobase.co...

And now a link to Google IMAGES and when looking at the various pictures click to enlarge to be sure it's Hillbilly you're looking at sijnce sometimes other ones get mixed in:

http://www.google.com/search?h...

I have mixed feelings about the gold/red bicolors. When they're good they're very good but when bad, really bad. Meaning, given one variety, one year they can be sweet and delicious and the next year bland and mealy, at least in my experience having grown many of them over the years, THey are very influenced by weather IMO.

In my area in upstatge NY the ones that have done well might include the following.

Big Rainbow
Lucky Cross
Virginia Sweets
Mary Robinson's German Bicolor

....... to name a few

And yes, I've grown Hillbilly and its PL variant.

These gold/red bicolors are felt to have originated in Germany or nearby and many were brought from there initially to the SE of the US.In the SE there are many that are grown that have no name and are generally referred to as Candystripe as a generic name.

My brother lives in NC and hisneighbor down the road has grown one all his life and my brother asked me if I wanted him to get seeds from him for me and I politely said no, b'c there's really not that much difference between them as I see it. Taste,, yes, sometimes, depending on where grown, soil,fertilizer and all those variables at work, the degree that the secondary exterior color extends from the blossom end upwards to the stem end, also yes.

Best thing I can suggest is to try them, several varieties over the years and see which ones do best.

A last link from Tania's site with a listing of some gold/red ones but a few other kinds of bicolors mixed in:

http://tatianastomatobase.com/...

And there are many many more of the gold/red ones listed in the SSE Yearbooks.

Hope that helps,

Carolyn, who can't help herself but there's one gold/red bicolor that's praised by a few and NOT praised by MANY and that's Mr. Stripey, the large beefsteak one, not Tigerella, aka Mr. Stripey, which is a small red with gold stripes and was bred in England along with Tigerella and Craigella from the same cross, but I do like the last two.
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May 6, 2014 1:25 PM CST
Name: Rita
North Shore, Long Island, NY
Zone 6B
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RickCorey said:Tatiana's TOMATOBase lists two distinct varieties.

http://t.tatianastomatobase.co... - - Heirloom tomato from West Virginia.

http://t.tatianastomatobase.co...


Thanks, those links really help. Looks like there are two varieties both being called Hillbilly. Mine is definitively the regular leaf kind.

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