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Name: Janice
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sandnsea2
Dec 30, 2011 12:21 PM CST
What fields would you like to see specific to Daffodils?

For starters:

A field for Division. This could be a drop down box of the 13 divisions to choose from.
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Dec 30, 2011 12:56 PM CST
A list of daff divisions..

http://www.qualitydaffodils.com/classifications.php
Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Dec 30, 2011 1:00 PM CST

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This is going to be a lot more efficient if one of you could list out all the options that we want for each data field so I can put them directly into the architecture here. If I have to go to web links and pull down information, there's a very good chance something will get missed.
Name: Janice
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sandnsea2
Dec 30, 2011 1:04 PM CST
I will do that.
Name: Janice
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sandnsea2
Dec 30, 2011 1:06 PM CST
DIVISION 1 - Trumpet

DIVSION 2 - Large - cupped

DIVISION 3 - Small - cupped

DIVISION 4 - Double

DIVISION 5 - Triandrus

DIVISION 6 - Cyclamineus

DIVISION 7 - Jonquilla

DIVISION 8 - Tazetta

DIVISION 9 - Poeticus

DIVISION 10 - Bulboccodium

DIVISION 11 - Split Corona

DIVISION 12 - Other Cultivars

DIVISION 13 - Species
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Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Dec 30, 2011 1:12 PM CST

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Do you want them displayed with the word "DIVISION" in all capitals like that?

Also, does the hyphen after 13 belong?
Name: Janice
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sandnsea2
Dec 30, 2011 1:15 PM CST
Dave, I need to work on the list a little bit more, ok? Be done in a bit. Smiling
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dave
Dec 30, 2011 1:22 PM CST

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Take your time. Smiling
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Dec 30, 2011 1:31 PM CST
Division 13 Daffodils Distinguished Solely by Botanical Name

Might be better just as "Species" ?
Name: Janice
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sandnsea2
Dec 30, 2011 1:46 PM CST
I agree Done, Janet.
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JRsbugs
Dec 30, 2011 1:49 PM CST
Features to list:

Season:

Very Early
Early
Mid Season
Late
Very Late

These seasons will differ according to lacation so I doubt it's a good idea to list months with flowering periods.

Categories:

Historical Variety
Scented Daffodils
Miniature Daffodils
Intermediate Size
Tall Daffodils

I'm not sure 'tall' fits here as most don't grow that tall. (I added tall as there is a difference, some are listed as tall!)

I'm not sure if colour is necessary either, they are white or yellow perianth with white, yellow, green, orange, red or pink corona. Could color be included somehow in the categories? Some are bicoloured too but the main colour is usually dominant.

White perianth
Yellow perianth
White corona
Yellow corona
Orange corona
Green corona
Red corona
Pink corona

There's doubles with bicoloured centres and singles with a coloured corona rim, may bicoloured can be included if colours are listed.



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Name: Janice
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sandnsea2
Dec 30, 2011 1:49 PM CST
Dave, the Divisions in Caps are the way they always appear in Catalogs and books.
As to Div 11with A & B, Janet, what do you think?
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Dec 30, 2011 1:52 PM CST
I wondered about Div. 11 too Janice, maybe that would make it too complicated, see what Dave thinks.
Name: Janice
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sandnsea2
Dec 30, 2011 1:56 PM CST
The nice thing about the Divisions is they have the flowering time and US zone hardiness defined, so alot of the information can be listed with a Databox description at the header page for each Division. That will make alot less data that needs to be entered for each individual Daffodil.

Same thing with the tulips.
Name: Janice
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sandnsea2
Dec 30, 2011 1:58 PM CST
That is what I thought, Janet. I will leave it out. We can always revisit it later.
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Dec 30, 2011 1:59 PM CST
Agreed! I just added more colours to the list. Hilarious!
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Dec 30, 2011 2:02 PM CST
To make things more simple, the daff site has daffs by colour!

All white

White with Red or Orange

White with Pink

White with Yellow

All yellow

Yellow with Red or Orange

Yellow with White

Yellow with Pink

Orange with Orange or Red

They missed out green!

White or yellow with green?

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Name: Janice
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sandnsea2
Dec 30, 2011 2:14 PM CST
For Color:

We could have :

Perianth (with a drop down box of the colors)............................white, yellow ,gold, orange, red, pink, green
Corona ( with a drop down box of the colors) ..........................white, yellow, gold, orange, red, pink, green

other category


any other colors Janet?
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Name: Janice
Cape Cod, MA, USA (Zone 7a)
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sandnsea2
Dec 30, 2011 2:51 PM CST
Dave can you add the Divisons and Colors now and we'll keep working on the rest?
Thanks!
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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JRsbugs
Dec 30, 2011 4:27 PM CST
I don't think there are any daffs with a red, pink, orange or green perianth Janice, most are a shade of yellow or white.

Perhaps best to stick with the simple combinations? There are some with a green corona, I'm not sure how we could add that as a combination. Maybe 'White or yellow with green' would cover it?

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