Name: Suzanne/Sue Sebastopol, CA (Zone 9a) Sunset Zone 15
In your second post, #1 is Echeveria agavoides
#2 is a dead ringer for my B. 'Tiger Kitten', scroll down for all shots http://davesgarden.com/guides/...
Melianthus major, awesome plant, smells like peanut butter just walking past it! I see them around about 6-7 ft tall and wide.
