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Jun 3, 2019 5:42 PM CST
Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche,Rio Negro, Argentina (Zone 8a)
Dahlias Irises Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Roses
Rosemary I copied the list for the First generation:
it reports thus:
11D-01
72-12094JP
Adrian Bailey
Alec's Red® (hybrid tea, Cocker, 1970)
Allegretto (hybrid tea, Huber, 1975)
Amber Sands
America (large flowered climber, Warriner, 1976)
Argovia
Bad Pyrmont
BEEril
Bengal Tiger ™
Benoit Friart
Biarritz
Billionaire
Birthday Wishes (hybrid tea, Guest, 1997)
Black Night ® (Hybrid Tea, Huber, 1975)
Blesma Soul
CANjujo
Caroline Louise
Casdar
Charmente
Cheshire Lady
Climbing Fragrant Cloud
Climbing Nuage Parfumé
COCbaden
COLfragrasar
COred
Coalite Flame
Coczodiac
Colin's Fubar
Communication
Crimson Fragrance
Cyril Fletcher
Darien
David Charles Armstrong
DeKORat
Decorat (hybrid tea, Kordes, 1975)
Denk an mich
Derek Nimmo
Doctor Dick
Dolly Parton
Doux Parfum (hybrid tea, McGredy, 1967)
Dovedale (hybrid tea, Moorhouse & Thornley, 1975)
DRIscogeorge
Dr. Dick
Dream (hybrid tea, RVS, 1979)
Duftbella ®
Duftwolke X Attraktion
Duftwolke X Junior Miss
Duftwolke X Maigold
Duftwolke, Cl.
Duftwunder
Electric Lady
Erin Elise
Eté Parfumé
Felicite Kendal
Felicity Kendal
Feuerzauber (hybrid tea, Kordes, 1973)
Fine Fare
Fine Flare
Fire Magic
Flower Show (hybrid tea, Bees 1980)
Folklore (Hybrid Tea, Kordes, 1977)
Forgotten Dreams
FRYperdee
Fragrant Cloud X Rosa carolina
Fragrant Cloud, Cl.
Freude ® (hybrid tea, Kordes, 1975)
Freudentanz
Friendship (hybrid tea, Lindquist, 1978)
GANhol
Golden Times (hybrid tea, Cocker, 1970)
Graaf Lennart
Graf Lennart
GUEsdelay
HARpooh
Hamburg's Love
Harlow
Harmonie ® (hybrid tea, Kordes before 1979)
Hawa Mahal
Hawaiian Fragrance
Hawaiian Thrill
Help the Aged
Hubar 6-2
Hubar 8-a-7
JACclam
JACsash
James Bond 007
Jan Guest
Jane Rogers
Japin
Jayerel
John Greenwood
Julie (unknown, McGredy 1975)
Just Joey (Hybrid Tea, Cants, 1972)
Kathleen O'Rourke
KIRcloud
King Carlos
KO 67/247
KORdehn
KORfeu
KORlore
KORtember
Koh-sai
KRAbentiger
LANken
Lady Di
Lakeland
Leventina
LINrick
Little Wonder (floribunda, Huber, 1975)
Love's Promise™
MACcommun
MACjuli
MACteat
MACwhenu
Magic de Feu
Marcel Pagnol ®
Marjorie Anderson
Marque Vue
Mary Egerton
Mary Hilda Law
Matilda ™ (grandiflora, Meilland, 1994)
Matsuri
Maturity
Maxistar
MEIsoyris
Me-Gami
Megami
Micki
Mikado ™ (hybrid tea, Suzuki, 1987)
Mireille Mathieu (Floribunda, Kordes, 1973)
Moriah
Murphy's Law
Northern Lights ® (hybrid tea, Cocker, 1969)
Nuage Parfumé ®, Cl.
Orimanda
Oxfam
Patrician
Philip Harvey
Pink Alicia
Pink Belle
Piroschka ®
Rachel Crawshay
Rapperswil
Red Cross (hybrid tea, Meilland, 1994)
Ringfield
Rosa Traum
Rose Rhapsody ™
Rose Sachet
Royal Albert Hall
Royal Smile
Ruth Harker
SAVelectric
Scented Star
SEAcaro
SEAfubar
SEAmurp
Selbar 0104
Selwyn Bird
SIMzu
Spode
Stanley Gibbons
Stephanie Diane
Summer Days
Swiss Fire ®
TANpika
TANta
Taora ®
Taxi (hybrid tea, Poulsen, 1977)
Te Atatu
Tenerife
Topsi ®
Topsy (floribunda, Tantau 1971)
Typhoo Tea
Velours Parfume ®
Velvet Fragrance (Hybrid Tea, Fryer before 1985)
Velveteen
Vulkan
Warm Rain
With All My Love
Zuma

I find HMF an indispensable tool to rose growing and a wonderful forum where to interact when one needs detailed technical info and advice. Its scope is much broader than the RF. So one gets to know about rose growers of almost anywhere in the world. I keep both tabs open every day: the NGA RF and HMF and switch back and forth.
Arturo
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Jun 3, 2019 5:58 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
That's quite a list! I wonder how many favor FC's color and fragrance. I bought the America climber this year. Easy to see FC's parentage in it's coloring. I wonder if all the list are fragrant. I read once that fragrance is a recessive gene in rose breeding, and not the most important attribute rose growers are looking for.
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Jun 3, 2019 6:21 PM CST
Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche,Rio Negro, Argentina (Zone 8a)
Dahlias Irises Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Roses
reh0622 said:That's quite a list! I wonder how many favor FC's color and fragrance. I bought the America climber this year. Easy to see FC's parentage in it's coloring. I wonder if all the list are fragrant. I read once that fragrance is a recessive gene in rose breeding, and not the most important attribute rose growers are looking for.

I suppose that if more public starts asking for fragrance then breeders will start searching for it more earnestly. After all they need to place their discoveries into the market. However one must remember time lag: it takes 10 years from deciding a cross before the product can become a marketable rose. So interest in fragrance ought to become a permanent market demand.
i.e Wouldn't I love a rose like DREAM COME TRUE, (The thread "Dream Come True Rose" in Roses forum) but were fragrant as FC and perhaps modified a bit like a DA older quartered bloom?. If I had the magic wand you bet I would already have done it. But that's the challenge any breeder is always trying to sort out... nodding
From the list posted I have Just Joey which is VERY fragrant too. Also Typhoo Tea (aka Eté Parfumé) both which I grow here. There are two more, eventually available here , that are high in my wish list: Piroschka and Harmonie. Who knows what surprises await me in my upcoming searches... Thinking ?
Arturo
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Jun 3, 2019 6:27 PM CST
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX (Zone 9a)
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Arturo - WOW!
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Jun 3, 2019 6:50 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
Arturo--I planted Just Joey bareroot this year. It has one bud on it, not yet bloomed. Not sure if it has enough sun or I prepared the soil well enough (a lot of clay), but we will see.
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Jun 3, 2019 7:42 PM CST
Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche,Rio Negro, Argentina (Zone 8a)
Dahlias Irises Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Roses
Rosemary I hope it does well for you! You'll love Just Joey! The blooms are huge and VERY fragrant, and a lovely apricot. If I were to make a brief must have list it belongs there....( Thinking ...fortunately I don't have to make the list short *Blush* Angel ....)....
I had to get a duplicate... Lovey dubby this past season... Smiling
Arturo
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Jun 4, 2019 12:19 AM CST
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
Rosemary - well done!!!!! Thumbs up Thumbs up And what a beautiful rose to start with!! Lovely!!!

Arturo - really??!!! Over a thousand descendents!!! That's amazing!!! Yes, I love using hmf too...I have it bookmarked to my bookmark line??? so I can just click on it. Hey, I'd buy that rose you just "created."!!
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Jun 4, 2019 10:18 AM CST
Name: SoCal
Orange County (Zone 10a)
Lazy Gardener or Melonator
I'm also thinking of getting Just Joey, even before I read this thread. I also like the cute name.
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Jul 25, 2019 9:32 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
Instead of going off on a tangent talking about fragrance on the purple rose thread, I thought I would continue the discussion here! So for longtime rose growers with lots of experience, has there ever been one rose which has ALWAYS been fragrant in the opening up bud stage (when they tend to be most reliably fragrant anyway), no matter what the weather or season, or time of day?

Maybe it depends on ones nose more than anything else, though.
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Jul 25, 2019 10:59 AM CST
SW Ohio River Valley (Zone 6b)
For me it's Nahema, Scepter'd Isle, Munstead Wood and Eglantyne. I have a few buding up so I'll check them today, but remember Cl. Crimson Glory being this way also.
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Jul 25, 2019 11:38 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
I just re-read the entire thread. What an education Arturo has given us on fragrance! Thank You!
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Jul 25, 2019 12:36 PM CST
Name: Lynnez
N. California (Zone 9b)
For me is Judy the obscure, it is the must have rose, for its beauty and wonderful fruity fragrance

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Jul 25, 2019 2:34 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
That's good to know since we are in the same climate zone, Lynnez. I have sprawling Abraham Darby and it is often fragrant, but sometimes, not so much. Similar colors, too, but Jude looks a little more pastel and form a bit fuller.
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Jul 25, 2019 4:15 PM CST
Name: SoCal
Orange County (Zone 10a)
Lazy Gardener or Melonator
I'm glad to know that I ordered a few fragrant roses. Can't wait to have them in my garden.
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Jul 25, 2019 4:46 PM CST
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
For me it's Stainless Steel, Memorial Day, and White Licorice. I love all of their fragrances!!!
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Jul 25, 2019 8:38 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
Carol, this morning Intrigue was fragrant....and I didn't like it. My Sunset book on roses says that Intrigue has a strong citrus smell. What it reminded me of, is my other strongly smelling rose that I don't care for...Sheer Bliss. I think I remember you saying you didn't like the fragrance of one of your roses and you got rid of it, but I don't remember the name of it. I love the blooms (color/shape) of both Intrigue and Sheer Bliss, though.

This afternoon, I decided to visit a couple of rose nurseries in the area, and one rose stood out for me today, both in my own garden this morning and in both of these nurseries, consistently smelling the most fragrant---Chrysler Imperial! Today was very hot...my thermometer in the shade reads 100 F. The other one standing out in the first nursery was Elizabeth Taylor., and in the second one, Grande Dame.

Both had a half dozen different Austins, but none mentioned specifically in this thread that I can recall. Tess d'Ubervilles was the only one with a noticeable scent of the ones with blooms, one that I wasn't familiar with, kind of spicy.
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Jul 25, 2019 9:24 PM CST
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX (Zone 9a)
Cat Lover Charter ATP Member Keeper of Poultry I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Dog Lover Keeps Horses
Roses Plant Identifier Farmer Raises cows Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Ideas: Level 2
I agree. Chrysler Imperial has always been a consistently fragrant rose for me, and I can smell very little from most of my roses.
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Jul 25, 2019 9:56 PM CST
Name: SoCal
Orange County (Zone 10a)
Lazy Gardener or Melonator
I'm now having the hard task of narrowing down 65 roses down to maybe less than 20, I still don't know where to plant them, but I eliminate the ones that are not fragrant. I like Sexy Rexy, but unfortunately it has to go off my list because it has no fragrant.
Edit to add, it's down to 50 now.
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Jul 25, 2019 11:34 PM CST
Name: Lynnez
N. California (Zone 9b)
@reh0622, there is a big bush of Jude the Obscure in the perennial garden by the sac historical rose garden. I went there some lunch time just to smell them. You can check it out. It is doing well in near 100 degree days.
I often bring a vase of Jude to work. I can smell it all day long.



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Jul 26, 2019 12:47 AM CST
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
My Life of the Party (new bareroot rose) had fragrance for the first time! It was incredible!! Very sweet/lemony!! Even my husband could smell it!

Rosemary - I know! Isn't that a shame. You get a rose that's really fragrant...but YUCK! I had that happen with Distant Drums (and it stank up the whole yard) and Compte de Champagne (dirty diapers - double YUCK) Whistling

Lynnez - beautiful creations!! Well done!

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