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Nov 5, 2012 12:05 AM CST
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Nov 5, 2012 9:15 AM CST
Name: Rita
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Nov 8, 2012 11:47 AM CST
Name: Louise
East Texas, zones 7b/8a
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A pretty cabbage-type bloom this morning. Not as spectacular
as many of the ones above but nice after our brutal summer.
Louise
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Nov 8, 2012 11:57 AM CST
Name: Toni
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Drooling Drooling Drooling I don't like pink roses, but WOW!!
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Nov 8, 2012 12:13 PM CST
Name: Louise
East Texas, zones 7b/8a
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Thanks,
I paid $15 for it at a local nursery. it is a running rose but
our three bad summers in a row have set it back in the
danger zone of survival. Maybe next year will be kinder.
Louise
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Nov 8, 2012 3:13 PM CST
Name: Porkpal
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I do like pink roses and yours is quite lovely. Do you know who she is?
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Nov 8, 2012 3:45 PM CST
Name: Louise
East Texas, zones 7b/8a
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I bought it in 1995 so I doubt if I still have the
tag. I never thought back in those days that I
would someday wish I knew names of the plants
I had purchased.
I remember four of the others I bought that day.
They were Queen Elizabeth, Don Juan, Joseph's
Coat and white one (it never grew and just died).
They cost $75 and were delivered because they
wouldn't fit in my car.
My husband helped me plant them inside our
front fence. He passed away the day before
Halloween in 1999 - 13 years ago. That holiday
is a different one now. Please excuse the
remembering.

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Nov 8, 2012 4:18 PM CST
Name: Toni
Denver Metro (Zone 5a)
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It could be Heritage (http://www.helpmefind.com/rose...) that one came out in the 80s.. doubt it's Geoff Hamilton as that one came out in '97. But it definitely could be Constance Spry (http://www.helpmefind.com/rose...)
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Nov 8, 2012 4:58 PM CST
Name: Louise
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Thanks for the links. Seems like it could be either
one. I couldn't tell from the pictures if they were
running roses or not. The one I have is from a
cutting I took when I moved from my former home.
The original bush was very vigorous with clusters
of blooms on very long branches that I tied up to
the railings of the deck. The buds in the pictures
look familiar.

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Nov 8, 2012 5:28 PM CST
Name: Toni
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Louise - Oh, is this a climber? Makes it a lot easier to narrow down then! brb. Smiling Is she a once blooming? If so, could easily be Blairii II (http://www.helpmefind.com/rose...) that came out in 1942 (China rose), or maybe even Super Dorothy (but she's a lot darker than yours).
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Nov 8, 2012 5:38 PM CST
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I don't think Blairii II was available on this continent until recently, and the bloom on Super Dorothy is small and could never be described as cabbage-type.

What is a running rose? Is that the same as a climbing rose?
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Nov 8, 2012 6:47 PM CST
Name: Cindi
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In the Midwest, the terms climber, rambler and running rose are used interchangeably.
The term "shrub rose" is getting to be almost as confusing, with some nurseries having a more precise definition than others.
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Nov 8, 2012 6:48 PM CST
Name: Louise
East Texas, zones 7b/8a
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Yes, all five that I bought were climbers. In east Texas, I've
heard a lot of people call them running because that's what they do.
The Queen Elizabeth was the prettiest and largest bud.

I also rooted a cutting for my daughter and her plant will be
pruned very soon and it is very large, in case anyone would want
cuttings. It rooted very easily. It keeps blooming for a very long time.

LM
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Nov 8, 2012 6:56 PM CST
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I have never heard of a climbing Queen Elizabeth but just looked it up, there is one, it's a once bloomer though but doesn't look very common.
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Nov 8, 2012 7:04 PM CST
Name: Louise
East Texas, zones 7b/8a
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I may be able to find some pictures if I search in lots of places. That was in 1995 -
I was just getting into gardening in the yard instead of only in pots. Seems ages ago.
I remember the branches being about 10-12' long each way and tied to the fence.
Each stem was very long. Rewarding for a new gardener.

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Nov 8, 2012 7:19 PM CST
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I guess it's a regional thing because I Googled "running roses" before asking and couldn't find anything.

I have two climbing Queen Elizabeth roses and they both rebloom, although not as frequently as the grandiflora QE. HMF is wrong to call it a once-bloomer.

They're actually quite common, Sue. You probably have seen them a hundred times in nurseries and didn't notice the "Cl." following the name. You've seen mine a hundred times, for that matter. One of them is the huge rose that covers the back fence behind the Climbing Happy pillar that DrDon made for me.

Cindi, I think "shrub rose" is used primarily as a catch-all phrase for any rose not meeting the specifications of other classes. Most of the Buck roses and almost all of the Austin roses are shrubs, for instance, because they don't meet the requirements for hybrid teas, grandifloras, or floribundas.
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Nov 8, 2012 7:31 PM CST
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Climbing Pink Peace and Parade were popular pink climbers in the 1990s.
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Nov 8, 2012 7:35 PM CST
Name: Porkpal
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I had climbing Queen Elizabeth. It did well for several years and then died as have most of my Hybrid teas and their close relatives. Mine definitely was not a once bloomer.

My climbing Pink Peace is still alive and blooming despite its near leaflessness. (Spell check does not like my creative vocabulary.)
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Nov 9, 2012 2:27 PM CST
Name: Cindi
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Cl. Queen Elizabeth is always readily available at box stores and nurseries around here. i planted it at every house I lived at because it is easy to train sideways along a fence. It died at this house but the cl. America next to it thrived. I planted a few more of cl. America and Social Climber (aargh, hate that name!) and they do better than cl. Q.E. ever did. I don't have time to look it up, but I suspect both are from the QE bloodline.
Zuzu, some of the nurserymen I've run into get defensive when I refer to Austin roses as shrub roses. Those are "ENGLISH" roses, they say. The Knock Outs and carpet roses are "Shrub" roses. Others just call that class "Landscape" roses. Hmmm. To me, they're all landscape roses because they are part of my landscape. oh well. If they come from England, are they English? Isn't Harkness English? Not all Harkness roses have the old flower form that Austin roses have. When I compare what ARS says with catalogs and HMF, I get even more confused.
It does simplify things a bit to say, if it's not a hybrid tea, an OGR, a grandiflora, a floribunda or a mini, then it's a shrub rose. Blinking
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Nov 9, 2012 2:48 PM CST
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Cindi, I have the same complaint about "English" roses. A lot of nurseries try to pretend that's a class of roses, but it isn't. And it is insulting to Harkness, Fryer, Beales, etc. because they're not included in the "English" class.

Actually, there are some OGR's that are shrubs too, because they don't meet the specifications for Alba, Centifolia, China, Gallica, etc.

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