Marilyn there are a lots of cobwebs somewhere on some thread. Oddity, see if any thread has this in its subject line.
Greg, this tree line thingy is different here. Normally as you go North the tree line finishes and the Tundra starts. Here tree line has to do with altitude not North. The nearest some thing like a Tundra I can think of is either Pamir Plateau or the Wakkhan Peninsular, both no no. You look both up on a map and you will understand why no no. Tree line here must be at16 or 17000 feet and the temps will be constant negative Centigrade. If Semps grow there then take my word they wont grow in Oregon. What you get there are known as stones in the plant world. Let others wake up then they can tell you what stones are, I cannot even dream of growing them in 47c. Forget it.
Now, what do Semps, Turkey and Himalayas have in common? Konya is in beige on Koppens (Bsk) . Only Bsk here is in South Waziristan and if you offer me all the worlds wealth even, me not going anywhere near.
"A third letter can be included to indicate temperature. Originally, h signified low latitude climate (average annual temperature above 18 °C) while k signified middle latitude climate (average annual temperature below 18 °C/64 °F), but the more common practice today (especially in the United States) is to use h to mean that the coldest month has an average temperature that is above 0 °C (32 °F), with k denoting that at least one month averages below 0 °C."
One month only averages below 0c, why are all of you sending me to the tree line to say hello to Santa .
Regards,
Arif.

webesemps said:Cruddy, now that you mentioned it, I'm curious, what were your guesses of 4 word acronyms for noid?

One of the great names I came up with (and was extremely proud of to boot) was Naturally Occuring Individual Dicot.

gg5 said: :Cruddy what semp name would you come up with? What semp characteristics do you look for? (just curious)
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I really love Sedums as well. My favorite is Sedum Cauticola Lidakense. Its breathtaking with the purple, blue, and green colors. It would be over if I could find a large growing, prolific Semp with those colors! So I would name it Cauticola in honor of the Sedum by the same name. This photo doesn't even do it justice but you can get an idea. The flowers are a a dark reddish pink when they open.

Nice shot! You should add it to the database! Sedum (Hylotelephium cauticola 'Lidakense')

Cruddy I like the purple blue and green mix! That would be a great semp!
Arif...yes the ideal climate for most of the naturally occuring semps is above 5 or 6000 feet, or where ever alpine culture begins. If its so high/dry and fierce where you are, may be why there are none naturally occuring! Those of us in the PNW (pacific northwest) have to ensure that our semps stay dry in winter and cool in summer, so mine are in full sun in winter and very light dappled shade because of bushes leafing out in summer, they seem to like that. I think Lynn's climate is very similar in that it rarely gets too hot, and so they do great!! I'm sure in hotter climates semps need a morning sun location with shade in the afternoon. Overall though I think why semps are becoming more and more popular is that they are able to adjust to very many climates, different from where they're naturally occuring.

Wow what a great sedum. Do add the pic to the database and get an acorn!!!

My climate gets scorching hot during the summer. 100 degree days for multiple days sometimes. I think we average in the 90's during the summer. I added the picture to the database. Thanks for reminding me.
GG what do you look for in a Semp and any orginal names?

I've been thinking and I think I might stick with Sempervivum 'Stupendous' for now. It has a nice ring to it Now if only I knew how to hybridize... Maybe I should just work on keeping mine alive and happy for a while though haha

My growing conditions are the same as Greg's, lots of winter and spring rain, so leaf litter/leaf mold/leaf compost would hold to much water and rot the semps.
I do find that the forest type compost works well mixed with the chicken grits (crushed granite), pea gravel and/or very coarse sand. Play around with a mix that works for your growing conditions.
I like the idea of planting the same variety in different conditions to see what works best for you. Just don't use any soil that is heavy and will compact, sure death for your semps.
I don't fertilize, and seldom water established semps during our summer drought. But the young plants have to be some what babied along that first year.

Marilyn the one shown in your link for S. 'Cobweb' wouldn't be the same arachnoideum as 'Red Cobweb', as the one you show is much smaller than 'Red Cobweb'.
Many nurseries will give a name to plants that are just a descriptive name. I find no reference to there being an actual hybrid with the name S. 'Cobweb'.
That being said, that is an adorable semp.

Cruddy how long have you had semps? Sounds like yours might need some protection for afternoon sun during the summer, or shade cloth over a frame?

Serse glad you like that name! I like it too!! Lynn I totally agree with what you said regarding cobweb semps.

Cruddy, I don't know the correct words to use, but if I were talking about roses, I would say full double bloom...I like the semps that have lots and lots of leaves here is an example - its only a baby, and most of the photos in the database for this semp don't show it as having this many leaves (except for one photo) but all of mine look like this, very full and "double" looking! Can't wait for them to get larger!!! Semp. 'Gamalea'

Then I like anything "cutsie" so all the fuzzy little ones, or any of the "rollers" (Jovibarba rollers) I have a semp that is a NOID and it forms a clump with all the babies right closeby, I like that! Here is a photo (in this photo it doesn't look as good as it does live! In the photo it looks brown in person it looks golden)

In terms of a name, I like playing with words so it would be something "witty" I would hope! and since I have a good Italian last name "Colucci" I would probably want that to be in there somewhere "Colucci's magnificata" or something, problem is I think its funny but they end up sounding arrogant
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Greg I live at 5000 feet. Like I told you I followed the trail of them from Konya, Turkey to South Waziristan along the North of Iran. S. Waziristan is a no-go area, has been for a long time. I rather like my head to stay attached to the rest of my body, ideal candidate for separation. No beard, Western attire, forget it.
I could go look for them along Parachinar but that is also no-go with a bright chance of my head walking of again. Give me time and I will find them.
Lynn, leaf litter does not fall where these things grow. They fall and rot somewhere else and detritus get carried by rain water to plants where they trap it. I sometimes do not elucidate because I consider you all to be advanced enough. Does any one of you ever commune with nature, go sit in a forest and note what goes on, meditate in a forest? I have an advantage because I farm also (time for a microbadge) and farmers by default have to be close to nature.
Regards,
Arif.

Arif, I think all along we've all been saying the same thing...the leaves that semps in the wild would come across would be few, and hopefully broken down enough to be utilized! If these things lived good easy lives they probably wouldn't have developed into plants that make so many babies!! This is a life saver for them obviously! When you say you've followed their trail, do you mean that you've traveled to some places to see them in the wild or figuratively?? Just curious. I agree farmers are close to nature, and I think its a genetic thing that is either turned on or not, many people who have an ancestory of farming are no longer farming yet have the urge, hence the crazy explosion of houseplants and yards with gardens!! I will say, since having my grow lights, if I stay inside playing on computer or working on some project, I often have no idea what its doing outside, and often assume its warmer and brighter than it actually is If you've traveled to see Semps, I'm very impressed, you are far more semp obsessed than perhaps I thought!

I have been following sighting reports and correlating them with Koppens. I have got their requirements, arid and comparatively cooler. I have been mining in that kind of area. Hindu Khush mountain range. Volcanic in origin, metamorphic rock formations but sadly this range is the natural boundary between us and Afghanistan. Not good for health. Let me work on it, my roots belong there and it is on my wish list.
Detritus. Even in a desert or arid area there is enough organic matter present in the shape of animal, bird, reptile, insect poop and dead bodies, dead plants, etc. Rain washes these into concentrated spots where plants love to live. These spots also have more moisture locked in.
Another insomnia sufferer .
Regards,
Arif.

gg5 said:: "Colucci's magnificata" or something, problem is I think its funny but they end up sounding arrogant
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That sound like a great name to me! I think the person that discovered or bred it should have their name immortalized. There is a Semp called Calcernum Extra? It has an abundance of leaves on top of the already classic look.

My J. Hedge Hog is already producing offsets! I thought something was stuck in between the leaves at first. I thought I would not see anything this year since they were so small. Neither of these plants are much bigger than a dime.

How cute is that!! Congrats! You're making me want to run out and look very carefully at my hedgehog!

Hedgehog babies.

me too!!! how adorable is that??

look at what the jovi hedgehogs have done in the container I made my dad for his office...these pictures were taken exactly three weeks apart

I don't know about hedgehogs except for real ones who have four legs but this container wow!
Regards,
Arif.

Yes, the container...can't have chosen one more appropriate for a special man's office.