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Mar 19, 2013 2:30 PM CST
Name: Jill
Weatherby, Missouri (Zone 5a)
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Rick, I have a hand cultivator like you have in your photo - My family calls it my "hatchet" because I can attack weeds with it so well! It's a really useful tool.
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Mar 19, 2013 5:12 PM CST
Name: Arlene
Grantville, GA (Zone 8a)
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Rick, I emailed them but they were of no help. I need a catalog...they're on the same page as the 1020s but I pitched mine cause I am done ordering for this year...
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Mar 19, 2013 5:19 PM CST
Silver Spring, MD (Zone 7a)
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Rick, I have a 1/2 in screen for the big pieces and an 1/8 inch screen for the fines.

I should have added that I don't use the super fine bark pieces by themselves for the wintersowing, but they're mixed into the medium-bark potting mixes.

I haven't had much luck with big box store pine mulch, but the local nurseries carry a bark product that works great (after screening, of course).

I'm so used to the pine bark potting mixes now that I don't know how to keep plants alive in peat-based mixes. Well, I should clarify that and say I've *never* been able to keep houseplants alive when they were in regular peat mixes! Hilarious!

So far I only have alyssums sprouting. I know I need to be patient, but they sprouted so fast last year that I need to learn what "normal" is!
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Mar 19, 2013 7:22 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
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>> an 1/8 inch screen for the fines.

Yeah!! That's what I'm talkin' 'bout!

I mainly drowned seeds when I used peaty mixes. I don't think, I ever put much peat-in-a-pot.

I called them "peat powder" mixes back when I bought junk brand name mixes from HD. Then I found pro mixes, and they are much better. But I refuse to make potting mix or even seed-start mix from shredded dollar bills! ("Orchid bark" must have the highest markup of any garden product sold.)

>> I don't use the super fine bark pieces by themselves for the wintersowing, but they're mixed into the medium-bark potting mixes.

I also have to mix and match. I get too much, too fine stuff from most bags called "mulch". I've been working that off by mixing it with somewhat-too-big stuff from bags of small nuggets.

I also had the same experience at good nurseries: nice clean bark mulch, dry, not smelly, and more shreds and chips than powder or nuggets. Good aspect ratio!

My dream COARSE pine chip would be
0.5 to 1 mm thick
1 to 2.5 mm wide
as long as fits in the pot! well, up to 1.5 inchs or 3 cm

My dream medium fiber would be flexible:
0.2 to 0.5 mm thick
.5 to 1 mm wide
1 to 2 cm long (1/2 - 1 inch)

Then, if I was replacing ALL my commercial peat mix with pine fibers and 'fines', whatever size held some water but not a huge amount. (Next time I'll buy my peat mix with mycorrhiza .)

If ALL my bark had to be spherical, I would want coarse grit and BBs -
0.1" - 3/32" - 0.18" ,
2.5 - 5 mm,
then add just a little peat and bark powder, then see how much air was still in the mix.
Maybe coarser. Shape matters!

>> I haven't had much luck with big box store pine mulch, but the local nurseries carry a bark product that works great (after screening, of course).

I had the same experience at HD, but the opposite at Lowes. I bet it varies by region or even by store. Lowes' small bark nuggets were pristine ... but mostly bigger than I want, except for 5 gallon buckets.

>> So far I only have alyssums sprouting.

I discovered what was resistant to clay, slugs, winter wetness and dry summers by tossin g a few "seed mixes" hither and yon when I was a total newbie. Anything that survived by slugs, my climate and my abuse was well suited. Siberian Wallflower (?Bugloss??), Sweet William (Dianthus barbatus ) and white alyssum were the winners.

White Alyssum come back profusely for me most years, and if not, I have enough seed collected that I can throw some on the sidewalk and it will establish itself in the CRACKS. Nice, like snowdrifts in the summer!

Just recently, I saw that some were germinating in the thin layer of mud and dust ON the concrete sidewalk. The film of brown had turned to a film of green! So I scraped them over onto the bare clay and weeds of my beloved next door neighbor, Thumbs down , who made me remove a narrow raised bed I had put there for the prior tenant. Then she killed almost everything else living on her property.

I forget what the pink flower is: feral Lavatera?


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Mar 19, 2013 8:16 PM CST
Name: Arlene
Grantville, GA (Zone 8a)
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kinda looks like a snappy to me.
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Mar 20, 2013 6:39 AM CST
Silver Spring, MD (Zone 7a)
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This is my first time growing alyssum, so I'm very excited. Smiling

I hope they come back every year! I used some really old seeds, but they all sprouted so nicely. I have both purple and white alyssum. I've heard that the white variety reseeds better.
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Mar 20, 2013 4:19 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
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>> kinda looks like a snappy to me.

True! I rescued some when I had to move one sidewalk bed. Thanks!

The "NO ID seed mix" alyssum is almost certainly Lobularia maritima .
It looks most like the variety 'Snow Crystals' .
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Mar 25, 2013 5:42 PM CST
Name: Caroline Scott
Calgary (Zone 4a)
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The first WS sprout this year is geranium pyranaicum.
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Mar 26, 2013 4:05 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Karen
Valencia, Pa (Zone 6a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Cut Flowers Winter Sowing Charter ATP Member Seed Starter Echinacea
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Thumbs up

My poor 5 wintersown jugs are still snow covered. Sad It doesn't feel like this winter will ever end.

I still haven't sown tomatoes or annuals- too cold. Maybe I should sow some toms under lights.

Karen
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Mar 26, 2013 7:27 AM CST
Name: Jennifer
48036 MI (Zone 6b)
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My jugs are still frozen solid
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Mar 26, 2013 8:11 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Karen
Valencia, Pa (Zone 6a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Cut Flowers Winter Sowing Charter ATP Member Seed Starter Echinacea
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Have any of you in zone 6 wintersown your annuals and tomatoes yet?

I've been waiting for a warm forecast, but it's not happening.

Karen
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Mar 26, 2013 9:12 AM CST
Name: Jennifer
48036 MI (Zone 6b)
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My plan is to wait until April 15th! Fingers crossed things will be better by then!!
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Mar 26, 2013 1:20 PM CST
Name: Margaret
Delta KY
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I didn't exactly winter sow the tomatoes but I have them up and one set is putting out true leaves now. They don't seem to mind the cold sheltered, sunny plant room I sowed them in. I didn't think they would come up so fast but after a cold period and a warm period they popped up and have been doing fine ever since. They will just grow slow during the cold spells and be the right size by the time it's safe to put them out in the garden.
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Mar 26, 2013 6:38 PM CST
Name: Caroline Scott
Calgary (Zone 4a)
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I am doing annuals and tomatoes in house under lights.
One perennial, Ragged Robin germinated in four days under lights.
Most perennials are WS.
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Mar 27, 2013 1:19 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Karen
Valencia, Pa (Zone 6a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Cut Flowers Winter Sowing Charter ATP Member Seed Starter Echinacea
Plant and/or Seed Trader Region: Ohio Region: United States of America Butterflies Hummingbirder Celebrating Gardening: 2015
I decided it's now or never. I wintersowed tomatoes today- 8 in individual 16 oz. cups.

I'm going to cut and prep a few gallon milk jugs now and and plan to sow a few annuals soon

Karen
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Mar 27, 2013 2:01 PM CST
Name: Jennifer
48036 MI (Zone 6b)
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I'm doing my second round of WSing tonight. Hardy Annuals plus some perennials I forgot. About 33 things! My neighbor is coming over to help so I can share the joys of WSing with her!
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Mar 28, 2013 8:06 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Karen
Valencia, Pa (Zone 6a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Cut Flowers Winter Sowing Charter ATP Member Seed Starter Echinacea
Plant and/or Seed Trader Region: Ohio Region: United States of America Butterflies Hummingbirder Celebrating Gardening: 2015
I always see my first wintersown sprouts in March, and more often than not, it's rudbeckia hirta. True to form, I can see 2 tiny seedlings in rud hirta today.

Karen
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Mar 28, 2013 9:46 AM CST
Name: Jennifer
48036 MI (Zone 6b)
Cottage Gardener Houseplants Spiders! Heucheras Frogs and Toads Dahlias
Hummingbirder Sedums Winter Sowing Peonies Region: Michigan Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Just did 30 more jugs last night. It went fast since my neighbor was helping me. So funny because I am a control freak and I just let go! I explained how to do it, and let her sow away!

Looks like we are finally going to start warming up. I need to figure out how I'm going to water 168 jugs effeciently!!
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Mar 28, 2013 1:33 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
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Jennifer,

>> So funny because I am a control freak and I just let go!

Gardening has affected me similarly. I tend to either obsess on every detail that could be considered related to perfection, or get lazy, procrastinate, and never even start.

However, when ten things NEED to be done in the garden, now I find the strength of character to do the first 7-8 of them "well enough" in order to get to #9 and #10.

I wouldn't do that for anything ELSE! "Good enough" wasn't in my vocabulary, or rather it was defined as "fiddling forever with even the most trivial details".

Now I just have to overcome procrastination!
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Mar 31, 2013 7:06 PM CST
Name: Michele Roth
N.E. Indiana - Zone 5b, and F (Zone 9b)
I'm always on my way out the door..
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Hurray!

I took a quick peek at my jugs this evening and found these sprouts. Now, I'm excited...oh, yes indeedy!

Fragrant Persian Stonecress (Aethionema schistosum)
Purple Chinese Houses (Collinsia heterophylla)
Chervil (Anthriscus cerefolium)
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