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May 22, 2023 7:28 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Charlie
Aurora, Ontario (Zone 5b)
Maintenance of Perennial Beds.
Thanks, Vic.

Don't have Lily of the Valley, though have a number of other plants with similar flowers. Would certainly use Lily of the Valley as a ground cover, but it's too aggressive a spreader for our own small garden. Remember David recommending the tamer pink variety.

Vic, very happy to hear that visiting your daughter also lets you visit Terri and her gardens.

Terry, your SIL sounds like a real asset. Sorry for the reason for the past spell of garden neglect. It's so good to have relatives, friends and neighbours who are willing to help get the gardens back into shape. Our own well manicured small garden's is likely facing a period of neglect (right after the tall phlox bloom), though in my case, it's for a trivial reason ( a knee replacement).

A bit of luck about the Helleborus foetidus.
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May 23, 2023 8:31 AM CST
Name: Arlene
Southold, Long Island, NY (Zone 7a)
Region: Ukraine Dahlias I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Houseplants Tomato Heads Garden Ideas: Level 1
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Knee replacement trivial???
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May 23, 2023 10:13 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Charlie
Aurora, Ontario (Zone 5b)
Maintenance of Perennial Beds.
Sounds like you had one/two, Arlene.
Was thinking trivial compared to the possible circumstances in Terri's case.

Am assuming that, with living mainly alone, in a house with staircases, it's going to be a challenge!
Am slowly preparing.
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May 23, 2023 10:34 AM CST
Name: Arlene
Southold, Long Island, NY (Zone 7a)
Region: Ukraine Dahlias I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Houseplants Tomato Heads Garden Ideas: Level 1
Plant Identifier Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Celebrating Gardening: 2015
No, but friends have.
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May 23, 2023 11:03 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Charlie
Aurora, Ontario (Zone 5b)
Maintenance of Perennial Beds.
I've heard how beneficial the procedure has been from other folk.
Still won't be able to kneel, but I haven't done any kneeling to garden for a few years.
David finally persuaded me to just drop spring bulbs in a hole and back fill.
The orientation the bulb finds itself in doesn't matter for subsequent normal plant growth.
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May 23, 2023 12:08 PM CST
Name: Terri
Lucketts, VA (Zone 7a)
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Foliage Fan Ferns Hellebores Irises Peonies Amaryllis
Charlie, I know several people who have had knee replacement surgery and have done very well with it. Rehab afterwards is key. I hope you have someone who can stay with you, at least for the first part of the recovery..
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May 23, 2023 12:53 PM CST
Name: Rj
Just S of the twin cities of M (Zone 4b)
Forum moderator Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Plant Identifier Garden Ideas: Level 1
Charlie, you may find a place in your garden for this Lily of the Valley, does not appear aggressive at all.

Striped Lily of the Valley (Convallaria majalis 'Albostriata')
As Yogi Berra said, “It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future.”
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May 23, 2023 7:52 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Charlie
Aurora, Ontario (Zone 5b)
Maintenance of Perennial Beds.
Thanks Terri, appreciate the advice about post-op rehab.
Working on the rest.

Thanks Rj, new on me: will be looking into Striped Lily of the Valley.
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May 25, 2023 7:36 PM CST
Northern NJ (Zone 7a)
That Striped Lily of the Valley didn't take off for me and eventually disappeared, but I am afraid to bring in any more Lily of the Valley. It is too hard to get rid of and it crawls through everything. The pink one is less dense than the white one for me but it has more competition.

Charlie, you have some beautiful specimens and so well grown.
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May 25, 2023 8:20 PM CST
Name: Rj
Just S of the twin cities of M (Zone 4b)
Forum moderator Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Plant Identifier Garden Ideas: Level 1
I purchased 3 of them and put them in different spots. One has multiplied to 4, one has multiplied to two and one has stayed just a single. This is its 3 year in the garden.
As Yogi Berra said, “It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future.”
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May 26, 2023 11:11 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Charlie
Aurora, Ontario (Zone 5b)
Maintenance of Perennial Beds.
Thanks, Loretta.
Have in mind, one particular fight I had with common Lily of the Valley. It had spread underneath an evergreen bush. Took me a number of years to eventually eliminate it. The competition business also rings a bell: as David (Merlin's Hollow) said, "Plant a thug, next to a thug and they'll keep each other in check." Needless to say, one thug can't be much tougher than the other.

Interested to hear, Rj.
Do you have any suggestion as to why the different growth rates in the different spots?
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May 26, 2023 6:29 PM CST
Name: Terri
Lucketts, VA (Zone 7a)
Region: Mid-Atlantic Region: Virginia Dog Lover Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge) Deer Ponds
Foliage Fan Ferns Hellebores Irises Peonies Amaryllis
I love lily of the valley and have gotten many starts as pass along plants from my fellow Mid Atlantic gardeners. It is a thug for them and they are always looking to get rid of it. I actually want it to spread thickly and aggressively in several of my garden areas as a ground cover to choke out weeds but it just never seems to grow like that for me. Even plants that have been in the ground for years have maybe multiplied from 3 initial pips to about a dozen, if that Shrug!
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May 26, 2023 6:31 PM CST
Name: Vicki
North Carolina
I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I sent a postcard to Randy! Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Forum moderator Region: United States of America
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I visited Terri yesterday and saw all of her beautiful gardens. Breathtaking Lovey dubby I so wish you could all see them.
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May 26, 2023 6:36 PM CST
Name: Terri
Lucketts, VA (Zone 7a)
Region: Mid-Atlantic Region: Virginia Dog Lover Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge) Deer Ponds
Foliage Fan Ferns Hellebores Irises Peonies Amaryllis
It is so fun getting together in person with long time gardening friends that were initially met online! I was fortunate to meet Vicki in person at her home in NC a few years ago and so happy to have her visit me at my home in VA this year. We had a great time.
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May 26, 2023 7:45 PM CST
Name: Rj
Just S of the twin cities of M (Zone 4b)
Forum moderator Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Plant Identifier Garden Ideas: Level 1
Charlie the only thing is that the sun receive and moisture is fairly different, the one that has spread (4 total plants, has great drainage and afternoon sun.
As Yogi Berra said, “It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future.”
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May 26, 2023 11:35 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Charlie
Aurora, Ontario (Zone 5b)
Maintenance of Perennial Beds.
Interesting, Rj. Getting established could suggest watering, along with the afternoon sun. Drainage is apparently a real plus with Lily of theValley. The largest spread, I've seen here, was on sandy soil.
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May 29, 2023 12:38 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Charlie
Aurora, Ontario (Zone 5b)
Maintenance of Perennial Beds.
Yesterday:

The Brunnera, in flower, are still attractive.
(to right, below, Japanese primula beginning to flower.)
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Brunnera and forget-me-nots together.
(Flowers look very similar.)
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Spanish blue bells.
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Creeping Jacob's ladder.
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With a bit of deadheading, early-flowering primulas (in shade) can still look nice. The primula aren't covered by taller plants yet.
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Lots of Columbine colour. As with wild Columbine species, garden columbines hybridize and seed readily.
It's nice that the seeds don't seem to get spread all over the garden.
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May 29, 2023 1:02 PM CST
Name: Vicki
North Carolina
I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I sent a postcard to Randy! Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Forum moderator Region: United States of America
Purslane Garden Art Region: North Carolina Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Ideas: Master Level Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
Such beautiful blooms Charlie Green Grin! Thumbs up
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May 29, 2023 2:35 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Charlie
Aurora, Ontario (Zone 5b)
Maintenance of Perennial Beds.
Thanks, Vic.
Like the delicate foliage on the columbines.
One source, I read, said columbines are tougher than they look.
Our columbines (or their kids) have certainly been around for a number of years!
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May 29, 2023 3:06 PM CST
Name: Terri
Lucketts, VA (Zone 7a)
Region: Mid-Atlantic Region: Virginia Dog Lover Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge) Deer Ponds
Foliage Fan Ferns Hellebores Irises Peonies Amaryllis
Very pretty Charlie! Columbines have always been a favorite. Most are not very long lived for me though, although I'm finding that Winky Purple has been hanging on for years. I really like the wild columbine Corbett, which is a pale yellow and kind of looks like the yellow one you posted. It is one of the ones that is very short lived for me so I have to keep replenishing it.

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