A couple open pollenated L. Henryi type seedlings.

full plant view

face view

reverse view. Pretty good size flower. Actually, a little pink on reverse but doesn't show up on camera.

Another seedling--Full plant view only

both nice strong plants. Many more to open.

And then there is this one (?) A big budded yellow seedling.

Connie, yep, I've got a pretty good hunch that enflorescence will balance out nicely by next year--especially if the mother is who I think it is. I plan to grow a single pod for seed and then go in and rob two or three scales this fall. 'You ever do that?--rob a scale?

Longiflorum X L. Henryi



I'll have pollen ro run with this year--not sure where. Might be a useful bridge to something. Rick--any suggestions?

Yeah, I've robbed a scale but not very often. It's isn't easy in my clay soil.

Roosterlorn said:Longiflorum X L. Henryi
I'll have pollen ro run with this year--not sure where. Might be a useful bridge to something. Rick--any suggestions?

Not particularly. I can't send you any pdf's but you could look at these. The outline in red in the second image was not done by me. It emphasizes the big surprise that was discovered in the paper- that those two species are so closely related.

Madam Butterfly

Another one I'm not sure of. I was told it was LF1 but it looks more orange than the picture I saw.
Either way I like it and it is quite a bit larger than the other henryi types I have.

Roosterlorn said:Longiflorum X L. Henryi



I'll have pollen ro run with this year--not sure where. Might be a useful bridge to something. Rick--any suggestions?

Wow. What a wide cross to produce offspring! How did the seed come about, Lorn?

Hi Della--I purchased that bulb from the Lily Nook in Canada. I suspect it was by ER, but by who, I don't know. I made a couple safety back-ups just to be safe.

Interesting. I looked at their catalogue - a shame nothing is said about who created it and how. I'd really love to know. What are the attributes of the plant that you'd like to augment/redress with breeding?

I don't have any immediate plans other than just grow it and see how it develops, thrives, etc, I might find an application for it somewhere along the way. If you had it, what would you do or like to try? I'm open to any and all thoughts on this one.

If I had it... (wait - where's the evil scientist emoticon!?)

Hmmm... well, first I'd be thinking about how so many longiflorum interdivisionals show a tendency to seperate tepals at the base, as does this flower? I don't personally like that - I'd want to close that space up if possible, with something that kept a tighter flower. But what?

So, while I was pondering that, I'd turn to a really good selection of L. henryi citrinum, maybe something like Ypsilanti?, to reduce the numbers of same old same old henryi oranges turning up in the next generation, and L. rosthornii, because it also seems to impart greater colour possibilities to its babies - especially something that could enhance that green centre/white combo. I imagine they'd both have a higher probability than most species of being compatible, and those stiff, short pedicles look like they could do with a dose of willowy grace. A tight, bunched inflorescence is a drawback of longiflorum blood (to me, not to florists!), and I'd want to put space in the inflorescence, while taking it out of the flower base! Am I picky much?

Hmm... then I think I would look toward all the aurelians out there to find some that keep a tight flower at the base, have a clear flower with no orange and preferably no spotting, but lots of papillae (personal taste).

Maybe something like Beautiful Victoria? http://www.pacificbulbsociety....

Does the flower have a scent? I'd try to retain/enhance that if possible... but going back the longiflorum way I imagine would compound those other traits I wished to reduce.

Those are thoughts for a start!

After observing how (if) it breeds, (buying research time ) I would then broaden horizons to things outside of the 'henryi things' group...

(If it isn't already a 4n plant... I'd be treating scales with oryzalin too - in a perfect world I would know how to do this! )

(And having said all that, I now feel somewhat self-conscious and awkward )

Why? Those are good thoughts! I've got L Citrinum , Yellow Henry,Ypsilanti and a number of Aurelian/ Trumpet mixes, many with no green or only light green throat and a couple all yellow Aurelians out there. A couple late combinations I could still try this year but the problem is though all my scheduled seeding and cloning is filled up for the year. I only have enough lighting and room to do so much come January through March here and I've got my priorities set already to that. There's always next year. But your thoughts are a good first stepping stone. Once there, things could get real interesting.

I always doubt my thoughts - they trick me sometimes! And umm... let's just call it too much negative attention as a child if I voiced an opinion on anything

I really can't imagine being so well organised that I know exactly how much space I will need in advance. It's amazing

My "planning" (ha!) relies on having a tardis!

Could you perhaps set (lily gods cooperating of course) a few pods and distribute seed to the NALS list?

(And Secretly. Secretly, secretly... I wish that thing would breed with L. speciosum var. gloriosoides >> )

Pollen only this year, Della. The cool summer season here has everything running behind schedule and it would be doubtful that pods would ripen enough. My schedule is also filled with other lily priorities. That considered, I'm going to let this plant spend the rest of the year bulking up and becoming better acclimated here since I just planted it my last fall. But, since your season is just starting, I'd be glad to send you and Anthony some pollen to try.

I did three scales for back up, but only have one bulblet up and growing. There's at least two more nice bulblets in the pot but they haven't started any growth yet. Probably need a chill.

Oh the temptation! I don't think we can get pollen into Australia without jumping through regulatory hoops and hundreds of dollars. Pollen is considered a pest and disease risk, though I don't know if there is any science to validate that view :/

Yellow Aurelian (Tetra)

Purchased from the Lily Nook in Oct, 2011, this Aurelian could easily pass as an OT. I have two of these and a clone growing here in separate gardens. I had previously posted this one on July 26th, (above) in bud form as 'big budded yellow seedling' but discovered it's marker had been moved to the clone. Sorry! Here is the 'real' Yellow Aurelian (Tetra). It has tiny yellow papillae in the throat and a little rose on the reverse. it presently is about 40 inches tall.

Pretty yellow Lorn and lovely curly tepals. Griesbach? Here is a photo I took of my Griesbach pink 4n trumpet:



I can't wait to see what my Griesbach yellow 4n trumpet looks like! It will be a while though, the bud has a ways to go...

They didn't state who the developer was. I think they always say it's Griesbach if it's one of his. Item# AU1015, pp24-25 of Lily Nook's catalog for 2011. I've been real happy with this plant. I haven't been happy with a lot of the Griesbach material I gotten in the last couple years, however. I'm seriously thinking about culling, etc, etc. I guess we'll have to grow our own Griesbach material from seed to get what we want--that is, if the seed is correct! Your Griesbach 4n Pink doesn't look too pink to me!

I do have a lot of seed in the freezer. You are right Lorn, seed is the better way to go. I just want to get some new material to work with. With my limited space I have to get agressive with culling. I culled many last year. Filled up the yard debris recycle bin a few times over with culled lilies. Some looked a little suspicious and I didn't want to take any chances.

The funny thing is, just when I thought I did a good job of getting the ones out that I wanted to get rid of, a good number showed up again from pieces I missed. Maybe it is a good thing .