I wasn't sure if the neem oil hibiscus warning referred to tropical or hardy hibiscus or both! I decided not to try it and dumped pyrethrins on them instead. It slowed the saw flies down, but didn't eliminate them. The intact upper leaves are post pyrethrins
The sorry lower leaves are pre pyrethrins.
This arrived in the mail yesterday, but it is still in the 90's, so I haven't been out to apply the diatomaceous earth yet.