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Aug 19, 2013 10:55 PM CST
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Over the years I've collected three of these rose bushes from Rogue Valley. The first one was appreciated because it was a free mystery rose. The two others are just irritating because they were mislabeled and were supposed to have been other roses that I had ordered.

It's a single bloom. It starts out with a white center, which gradually disappears while the rest of the bloom gets darker.

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It blooms mostly in small clusters and is about 3 feet tall with a sprawling habit. It usually has more blooms than you can see in today's photo, but it's between flushes right now.

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It reminds me a lot of Cocktail, but with a white center instead of a yellow one.

Rose (Rosa 'Cocktail')

I'm sure it's a shrub, but Rogue Valley doesn't include shrubs in its search characteristics, so I couldn't search for it that way. After searching through all of their roses with single blooms, I had to settle for Chuckles as the closest fit.

Rose (Rosa 'Chuckles')

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Aug 20, 2013 11:30 AM CST
Name: Lyn
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How large is the bloom ? A lot of roses with chinas in their lineage have the white eye, but 'Chuckles' typically has a 3 to 4 inch bloom.

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Aug 20, 2013 11:33 AM CST
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Then it isn't Chuckles. The bloom on this one is the same size as the bloom on Cocktail, no more than 2 inches across.
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Aug 20, 2013 11:42 AM CST
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I have several roses with similar looking blooms but they are even smaller and in large clusters. None of them darken like yours. No clue...
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Aug 20, 2013 9:14 PM CST
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That looks like a Pink Drift rose to me.
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Aug 20, 2013 9:41 PM CST
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I agree that the bloom looks something like Pink Drift, which I also have, but the Pink Drift blooms have yellow and white in the center, the blooms never get as dark as the ones on this rose get, and the Pink Drift bush is much smaller.

Besides, Rogue Valley doesn't carry the Drift series.
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Aug 20, 2013 10:37 PM CST
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Whatever rose it is, I like it! That is aggravating to not know the name, though.
My drift roses change color, and some even vary in number of petals. One in a group of 7 has decided it is going to be a tall rose bush while the others stayed short and wide. They all came from the same place, were planted in the same bed, in the same soil. Weird.
Could yours be a sport?

Maybe you should take cuttings, grow them out to 8" or so, name it, then sell it back to Rogue as a really cool new rose.
You would either make money or find out the real name that way. Sticking tongue out nodding
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Aug 22, 2013 9:56 PM CST
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That reminds me that I need to take cuttings of my Rusty sport. nodding
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Sep 5, 2013 9:43 PM CST
Name: Porkpal
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It looks a little like Red Meidiland to me. Mine has darker blooms but on HMF some are pinkish...(?)
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Sep 5, 2013 10:11 PM CST
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It does look a lot like Red Meidiland, Porkpal, and the bloom's the same size, but this one never looks that red, and it's too tall to be Red Meidiland. Red Meidiland makes a good ground cover because it spreads outward, but the height of this rose exceeds its width. The shape of the bush is more like Pink Meidiland, but it's too dark to be that one.
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Sep 7, 2013 3:31 PM CST
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I finally found one on the Rogue Valley site that matches my rose. According to HMF, the bloom size and bush size fit too.

https://www.roguevalleyroses.c...
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Sep 7, 2013 5:40 PM CST
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Sep 7, 2013 7:23 PM CST
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I agree
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