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May 24, 2011 2:25 PM CST
Name: Christine
Southeastern MN (Zone 4a)
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Oh my goodness Fred -- that is amazingly gorgeous! I LOVE IT!!! Love the color and the "stuff" is really cool! I agree
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May 24, 2011 3:08 PM CST
Name: stephanie king
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I think it is stunning. Absolutely love it. It is very different and good color and pattern. I call it a winner in my book.
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May 24, 2011 3:09 PM CST
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Name: Char
Vermont (Zone 4b)
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Hi Fred,

Yes, I have seen blooms with this form, they are cristate Sculpted Forms with the cristation appearing on the surface of the petals. There is also a midrib cristate form which used to be refered to as midrib crested. Many of these were incorrectly registered as Double Forms( they have neither the extra whorls of petals or petaloid stamens) and can now be registered as Sculpted Forms - Cristate. A few other Tets of the surface cristates currently registered ( although all have not had the registrations corrected by their hybridizers yet to reflect the new Sculpted Form designation), Tiki God ( Foster 2011), Strikingly Dramatic (Maryott 2010), Ohio Discovery (Carpenter 2007), Little Big Ears (Davisson 2007) Tarpon Back (Baker 2003), Midlife Crisis (Hansen 2007) Sigourney (Hanson 2008), Vestages (Matton 2010), Kentucky Shape Shifter (Morss 2010). There are also several diploids with the most well known being Jack Carpenter's Texas Feathered Fancy ( 2006).

How exciting to see one as nice as this seedling!!! Breathtakingly beautiful, congratulations!
Char
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May 24, 2011 4:13 PM CST
Name: Betty
Bakersfield, CA
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WOW! Sure sounds like you've really got something there! How incredible!!!
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May 24, 2011 4:19 PM CST
Name: Michele
Cantonment, FL zone 8b
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Woooooowwwwwww!!!!!!! Fred, I absolutely LOVE it both ways. If you decide you won't keep it (which I'm sure you will) I WANT IT!!!! If you do keep it and register it I WANT TO BE FIRST ON THE LIST!!!!!
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May 24, 2011 4:25 PM CST
Name: Betty
Bakersfield, CA
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And I want to be second!
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May 24, 2011 7:16 PM CST
Name: Kim W
Md (Zone 6a)
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Wow Fred that is super awesome. Very different and very striking. I like it in either form you showed it in.

Kim Thumbs up
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May 25, 2011 4:19 AM CST
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Name: Fred Manning
Lillian Alabama

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Thanks for the information Char, I had Ohio Discovery for a couple of years but never noticed it doing its thing. I will watch this one for another year and see if it continues, either way I like the flower and it has a tall well branched scape.

Thanks for the comments all.
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May 25, 2011 8:55 AM CST
Name: Margaret
Near Kamloops, BC, Canada (Zone 3a)
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Beautiful unique bloom Fred!! Thumbs up
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May 25, 2011 9:39 AM CST
Name: stephanie king
cut bank, MT z 3a-4b
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I want it too so put me on the list.
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May 25, 2011 10:08 AM CST
Name: kimbar rise
beaverton mi
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Fred that seedling is very nice.
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May 26, 2011 2:18 PM CST
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Name: Fred Manning
Lillian Alabama

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I took a hard look at Heather Grace this afternoon and it has the basic form as my seedling but not as extream. Thumb of 2011-05-26/spunky1/3f2fe1 Also no extra in the center.
Thumb of 2011-05-26/spunky1/40f477 Larrys photo shows nothing in the center.
Thumb of 2011-05-26/spunky1/f7d739
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May 26, 2011 2:52 PM CST
Name: stephanie king
cut bank, MT z 3a-4b
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I love Heather Grace and think it a great Hem but yours really has that new and unique look all the way around which is a real plus. It also has such a deep color that contrasts the rest of the bloom and sets it apart. from others I have seen with this form. What do the rest of you think.??
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May 26, 2011 7:55 PM CST
Name: Betty
Bakersfield, CA
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Totally agree!
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May 27, 2011 8:46 AM CST
Name: Margaret
Near Kamloops, BC, Canada (Zone 3a)
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I agree I think it's a great bloom, both in color and form.
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May 28, 2011 3:42 AM CST
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Name: Fred Manning
Lillian Alabama

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Thanks all, it will be watched closely, to see how it preforms and see what babies it produces.

This is not a seedling but wanted to show what can happen when you convert a dip to a tet. The one on the right is the converted plant, much larger than a normal plant on the left. This does't happen with all conversions but most will increase in size. You can also see that the first bloom is deformed and had only one pollen sack. I have two scapes blooming this way so hopefully I have a 100% conversion. The flower is FRED MANNING Temple 2005. Thumb of 2011-05-28/spunky1/29d61d
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May 28, 2011 9:15 AM CST
Name: Betty
Bakersfield, CA
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That is fascinating -- thanks for giving us these examples to show the difference, Fred!
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May 28, 2011 12:17 PM CST
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Name: Fred Manning
Lillian Alabama

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Here are a few in the hybridizing bed I have been setting seed on and useing the pollen on some of the newer things. Thumb of 2011-05-28/spunky1/47abde
Thumb of 2011-05-28/spunky1/353c7a
Thumb of 2011-05-28/spunky1/eb100f LILLIAN'S LYING EYES X TET PEPPERMINT DELIGHT
Thumb of 2011-05-28/spunky1/e80d48
Thumb of 2011-05-28/spunky1/cacc20 Just for fun
Thumb of 2011-05-28/spunky1/a811a9 Another crested thing blooming today, nothing in the center yet. I now think LILLIAN'S ALABAMA SUNRISE is causing this form.
Thumb of 2011-05-28/spunky1/7f69fd
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May 28, 2011 1:54 PM CST
Name: Betty
Bakersfield, CA
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Fred, those are all absolutely gorgeous! I really love the first one that looks so serene, the eye patterns are all fantastic -- LOVE the poly -- and that last one is really captivating -- love the colors!
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May 28, 2011 1:55 PM CST
Name: stephanie king
cut bank, MT z 3a-4b
Life is what you make it, so make i
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Fred that 1st. LAS cross is so beautiful. Such a nice soft pink and nice light eye and loads of ruffling.
LAS X Martin Blondeel is a poly too!! Wow now if you can get the poly and the cresting etc. in one bunch what more could one ask.

I may have to get LAS to take to some of mine if it is breeding all this.

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