tink3472
I realize this is probably not the same for all programs, but for the one mentioned in the article
a TC plant removed from the tube takes less than three months to fill a gallon pot.

Seedfork I can't get the second link to work? It says page not found?

Frillylily,
That is so weird, I can't get it to work either now. I bookmarked the site, and I can still go straight to the page, but the URL when I copy it does not work. So I did this: Type in your browser search box "Commercial tissue culture at Oglesby Nursery, Inc." It is a very good article I think, I really wish the link would work. Let me know if this works.
You might also try to copy and paste this in your search box of your browser: It works for me but it may be referencing my bookmark.
fshs.org/proceedings-o/1976-vol-89/367-368%20(STRODE).pdf

I found it by searching. sounds like a lot of work to me! Filling a gallon in such a short time is remarkable, but why would they grow faster, and later they lose that vigor and grow no faster than normal plants I understand. weird. For now I just intend to stay with plants divided like Mother Nature would do lol

I wouldn't even consider buying a tc daylily. I bought 2 several years ago and the color was not like the original plants at all.

Thanks for the link seed. A gallon pot in a month. I am luck in a year starting with a small fan.

Glenn I think that was three months!

This is Heidi Douglas from Browns Ferry Gardens and I feel it is important that I reply to this thread. We do sell daylilies to Gilbert Wild for their catalog. We have lots of varieties like BIKER BABE that increase very quickly. When we introduced BIKER BABE in 2012 we had over 70 pots. We sell all our daylilies from pots. We sold some and we gave some to clubs for auctions, but still had many left over, so we planted them in a large grow bed and reserved them for Wilds. We probably sent him 100 single fans. So we are not talking quantities in the thousands. They are not tissue cultured. They are our plants and have been grown in our fields. We just shipped BIKER BABE and many other newer introductions to Wilds this past spring. I know he said he was going to pot them up. I'm sure many went in the fields for future increase.

We still sell BIKER BABE for $70 because we have a process for pricing introductions based on the year of introduction. We sold newer things to Wilds because we didn't feel our customers were that big of an overlap. I guess I have found out that assumption was wrong:( We also sold him many newer things because we have so many of them and we just don't have the room or the man power to take care of them. Please feel confident in purchasing any Douglas daylilies from Wilds knowing they are the real plant and not tissue cultured. It doesn't bother us one bit that you can get them cheaper from Wild's. We are thrilled to be featured in his catalogs and have our flowers growing in your gardens, no matter how you get them!

We agree with your concern about tissue culture plants. They do NOT perform the same as the original cultivar. Greg has told me they do not sell tissue culture. I know he purchases many older daylilies from lots of different people to provide the quantities he needs. I would not hesitate to order from Wild's if I wanted some daylilies. Believe it or not, I have too many already:)

Seedfork said:This morning I received a reply from G.H. Wild, it was very straight forward and honest, much more honest than some expected I think.


My e-mail
In the All Things Plants daylily forum the question has arisen about your potted newer variety daylilies. Some are asking if they may be Tissue Culture plants. The home page mentions these pots being the same size as the pots used for filed planting, can you describe how that process works? The home page also states that all plants are shipped blooming sized. I ordered plants back in March and they were certainly not blooming sized. They did grow into blooming sized plants and all but Awesome Blossom have bloomed already.
I will relay your response to the forum. Thank you in advance for your reply.

The reply I received:
Greg Jones <[email protected]>
8:34 AM (1 hour ago)
1. Some are asking if they may be Tissue Culture plants. Some of these are divisions purchased directly from US hybridizers like Charles & Heidi Douglas at Brown’s Ferry and potted and some are propagated by tissue culture and field grown for 3 years in the Netherlands prior to be inspected and shipped here and then potted.

2. The home page mentions these pots being the same size as the pots used for field planting, can you describe how that process works? All of the plants are shipped in the spring/summer, potted and bloomed out. We then determine which varieties we want to grow for future years and which varieties we want to offer the next season. So we use the same size container for propagation as we do for sales.

3. The home page also states that all plants are shipped blooming sized. We also state in the catalog that all potted plants are 1 fan divisions. In a pot we get 95%+ to bloom the first year.







Greg Jones
Managing Partner
Gilbert H. Wild and Son LLC
2944 State Highway 37
Reeds, MO 64859

If Greg told you they do not sell tissue culture, then why did he tell seedfork via email that they do?

Ok I have a few mins free so I thought I'd post what I got from Wilds when I ordered from them. I placed my order on July 19th and received it in just a few days. I was surprised they shipped it right away because the heat index has been nearly 100 here for those few days. So I was worried about the plants. I got a tracking number for shipping as well (nice plus) and the packaging was awesome. I was impressed with how nice the plants arrived. The bareroot dl I was really pleased with. I ordered Wrapped in Moonlight thinking for some reason it was not potted. (brain fart I guess) I would not have ordered it if I had known it was potted but the website did not say that it was anywhere I could find. (I checked that out thoroughly after I got the plants and emailed them about that-did not get a reply back about that) I was concerned that my plant could be a TC but Heidi has assured me, at least for their introductions. Greg Jones told me via email that they do not sell any TC plants. I ordered two potted hosta "whee" and they were tiny as well, however, they do look nice and are true name. (actually I only ordered one, the other was a BOGO offer). Here is pics of the potted one, the dry root one. I used a coke to have some thing to compare size to.









I don't care if they sell TC, potted, bare root or snake skin boots-- I just feel they should be clear on their website to advertise each as what it is so people know what they are buying. I seen later in the printed fall flier, that Wrapped in Moonlight is potted, but I used the website to order and it did not say that on there. That was disappointing.
Here is a pic of Wrapped in Moonlight taken by me at the Springfield Botanical Center daylily display bed this summer.

Very conflicting info since they have said that they do sell tissue culture plants and then they have said they don't.

I thought I had asked this question earlier but can't find where I did. If a plant is tissue culture grown, then grown on in the field, and increases dug from the field, are those increases considered tissue culture grown, or field grown? Is it that Wild's does use tissue culture, but feels(maybe standard industry procedure) that the increases are not tissue culture, but field grown? If that is the case, just how many other growers are selling "field grown-tissue culture increased" plants?

That concerns me as well. Just like food, it started with sugar, then it was corn syrup and now its who knows what! Then we have GMO's to worry about. I feel other plants (ornamentals) are at risk for this also. 10, 20 or 50 years from now -- will anything be natural? I used to love those big fat juicy homegrown tomatoes when I was little. The kind big enough to slice and cover a whole piece of bread. Now we buy little scrawny Styrofoam tasteless things called tomatoes. It is practically impossible to buy corn or soy products at a regular store that are not GMO. At what point will daylilies be tissue cultured in mass quantities after mom and pop field growers have either passed on, or big government has imposed so many intrusions that no one wants to mess with it. Then the only place to buy a dl is a huge money making big box place with inferior plants compared to nature. I am not implying that Wild's is only selling TC or that they have some kind of evil intentions. I am just saying this kind of thing does start small and seemingly harmless and then snowballs while the public is unbeknownst. The question is where does it stop? or rather how can it be prevented. One of the ways it is prevented is buy the public having knowledge to make a CHOICE. I believe many gardeners will CHOOSE not to buy TC if they knew. By not advertising it that way, the public has no choice. Once nurseries realized those plants do not sell well they will steer away from it more-so. One of the main reasons GMO has infilterated practically EVERY food on the shelf-- the public was not educated early enough, and farmers were lied to, and no one was required to label foods so that customers could make a choice. People should have the right to know what they are spending their money on-not be led to think they are getting something they are not.

Seedfork said:I thought I had asked this question earlier but can't find where I did. If a plant is tissue culture grown, then grown on in the field, and increases dug from the field, are those increases considered tissue culture grown, or field grown? Is it that Wild's does use tissue culture, but feels(maybe standard industry procedure) that the increases are not tissue culture, but field grown? If that is the case, just how many other growers are selling "field grown-tissue culture increased" plants?

My question exactly.
How would you know if a plant is tissue culture or not down the line?

Elizabeth Salter from Wild's came in a tiny pot. Bloomed and looked fine.
When rust came here, it crumpled like cellophane over a match.
Had the most severe reaction of any of my dls. Don't know if it was tc or not.
Don't know why they would tc such an old registration.

Ms Douglas said in her post that they sell plants to Wild that are not tissue cultured. So, if Wild's does sell tissue cultured, they must get them from elsewhere.

Greg Jones

"1. Some are asking if they may be Tissue Culture plants. Some of these are divisions purchased directly from US hybridizers like Charles & Heidi Douglas at Brown’s Ferry and potted and some are propagated by tissue culture and field grown for 3 years in the Netherlands prior to be inspected and shipped here and then potted."

Heidibfg
"We agree with your concern about tissue culture plants. They do NOT perform the same as the original cultivar. Greg has told me they do not sell tissue culture. I know he purchases many older daylilies from lots of different people to provide the quantities he needs. I would not hesitate to order from Wild's if I wanted some daylilies. Believe it or not, I have too many already:)"

Ok, so the only way I can make these two statements be consistent with each other is to assume that Wild's does not consider tissue culture plants grown on
and then field dug to be tissue culture plants. Are there other ways of looking at this?

Heidibfg,
Forgive my manners, I got caught up in the conversation to quickly.
I have often wished more growers would post here, it would certainly help clarify many questions we often have. Thank you so much for caring enough to post here. We do have some growers who post here and try to keep us straight on things, but sometimes extra opinions are needed and certainly welcomed!

I was glad to hear directly from Heidi at Browns Ferry, because I ordered Carolina Pansy face from GHW this spring for $18.00. Browns Ferry Has it listed for $50.00. I wondered how GHW was able to sell it at such a low price. As a matter of fact I got two from GHW. The fans were very small and I hope they do well in the spring.