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Feb 15, 2016 7:57 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
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Thanks, Sandy, I fixed the typo.

I guess it's like in astronomy: a brown dwarf is smaller and cooler than a red dwarf.

So a "brown hot pepper" is smaller and cooler than a "red hot pepper".


http://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
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Feb 15, 2016 8:13 PM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Ford River Twp, Michigan UP (Zone 4b)
(Zone 4b-maybe 5a)
Charter ATP Member Bee Lover Butterflies Birds I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
Seed Starter Vegetable Grower Greenhouse Region: United States of America Region: Michigan Enjoys or suffers cold winters
Rolling on the floor laughing I rarely comment on typos -- that one just sort of had me going... "Brown hot peppers" -- where can I get those??
“Think occasionally of the suffering of which you spare yourself the sight." ~ Albert Schweitzer
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Feb 16, 2016 12:48 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
I can't blame the spell checker - "b" is diagonally right next to "g" on the keyboard.

I was intrigued by the idea of an ornamental plant that could make your ears fall off if you nibbled on it.


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Edited to add: a bonsai with REALLY hot peppers also deserves a sign: "Do not nibble on this delicious fruit."

The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Hot.
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Feb 16, 2016 10:44 PM CST
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Lakeland Florida (Zone 9a)
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Brown hot peppers? There are many, so I pulled this picture off my seed section on my website. It IS hot, 7 pod Douglah at 1.8 million SHU. Just ate one last night at hot pepper night. In general, the brown, or chocolate form of a named red pepper always tastes hotter.
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Feb 16, 2016 10:54 PM CST
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Even though I have been showing this in the greenhouse section, I haven't mentioned it here. I finished a new greenhouse just for hot pepper plants a week or so ago and just filled it with pepper plants. I have Bhutlahs, Jay's peach ghost scorpions, Fataliis, Douglahs, Red Brain Strains, Carolina Reapers, the new chocolate ( brown ) Brain Strain, Moruga scorpions, 7 pod Primos, and the new MA Wartryx. I will be increasing my Primo production by 4 times, 5 times the Yellow Fataliis, and later on, I will be tripling my reaper production. Its going to be a great year for hot peppers!
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Feb 17, 2016 8:41 AM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Ford River Twp, Michigan UP (Zone 4b)
(Zone 4b-maybe 5a)
Charter ATP Member Bee Lover Butterflies Birds I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
Seed Starter Vegetable Grower Greenhouse Region: United States of America Region: Michigan Enjoys or suffers cold winters
It looks like your new GH is filling up fast, Tom!
“Think occasionally of the suffering of which you spare yourself the sight." ~ Albert Schweitzer
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Feb 17, 2016 1:06 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
MAJOR production area! very cool.

Thanks for reminding me that chocolate (brown) varients are usually hotter than their rec parents. That's the OPPOSITE of how it works with brown and red dwarf stars.

But even a brown dwarf star is pretty hot compared to chili peppers:

"T-class brown dwarfs have surface temperatures in the range of
800 to 1,880 degrees Fahrenheit (430 to 1,030 degrees Celsius)."
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Feb 17, 2016 5:46 PM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Ford River Twp, Michigan UP (Zone 4b)
(Zone 4b-maybe 5a)
Charter ATP Member Bee Lover Butterflies Birds I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
Seed Starter Vegetable Grower Greenhouse Region: United States of America Region: Michigan Enjoys or suffers cold winters
Those would be good names for extremely hot peppers -- "Red Dwarf Star" and "Brown Dwarf Star." (if they aren't already, that is...)
“Think occasionally of the suffering of which you spare yourself the sight." ~ Albert Schweitzer
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Feb 17, 2016 6:38 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
Among science fiction fans, "Red Dwarf": brings to mind a very goofy British cult/comedy/SF TV series "Red Dwarf".

I don't know if that's good or bad, but it does have one episode where some DNA-analyzing machine goes berserk and creates a monster from some very spicy Indian food, I think a vindaloo.

Does that keep this on-topic?
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Feb 17, 2016 10:16 PM CST
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Lakeland Florida (Zone 9a)
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I just got some seeds in that I'm thrilled to see how they turn out. Anyone who has followed this thread knows that chocolate peppers taste hotter than red peppers, and the bumpier the pepper, the hotter it is. This one almost scares me, but I can't wait to try my first one. Behold, the CPR! (chocolate primo reaper )
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Feb 18, 2016 2:57 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
That looks like something from the movie "Aliens".

You're a brave man!
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Feb 18, 2016 4:57 PM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Ford River Twp, Michigan UP (Zone 4b)
(Zone 4b-maybe 5a)
Charter ATP Member Bee Lover Butterflies Birds I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
Seed Starter Vegetable Grower Greenhouse Region: United States of America Region: Michigan Enjoys or suffers cold winters
I was thinking more along the line of "seriously crazy man" !
“Think occasionally of the suffering of which you spare yourself the sight." ~ Albert Schweitzer
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Feb 18, 2016 5:14 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
(off topic post)

I don't know why that reminds me, but ...

Two friends were on a cruise together. Joe likes a lot of cinnamon in his coffee, but is forgetful and hadn't brought any cinnamon with him when he and Becky went up on deck to get coffee.

Becky is forethoughtful and had brought some little gelatin capsules filled with cinnamon. (Some food supplement store sells it that way.) Joe was away from the table when the coffee was brought.

So Becky pulled a little cinnamon capsule out of her purse, twisted it open, poured it into his coffee, and stirred.

Then she looked up to find people at the next table STARING at her, slack-jawed, sure that she was in the process of poisoning Joe.

She just smiled demurely at them.

Joe came back, tasted his coffee, and thanked her profusely.

While the next table had cerebral hemorrhages trying to decide whether to say something to Joe, or to the Purser, or just watch until Joe started twitching and falling down.

They never said anything to anybody, but they watched Becky like hawks for the rest of the voyage!
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Feb 18, 2016 5:19 PM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Ford River Twp, Michigan UP (Zone 4b)
(Zone 4b-maybe 5a)
Charter ATP Member Bee Lover Butterflies Birds I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
Seed Starter Vegetable Grower Greenhouse Region: United States of America Region: Michigan Enjoys or suffers cold winters
LOL, Rick -- do we have any photos of Tom here anywhere?... just in case I'm on a cruise and someone is adding something to my food, like super-hot pepper powder for instance!
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Feb 18, 2016 5:29 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
I was thinking of Tom's little bottles or tubes of bio-hazard-level chilis. Or should I say "weaponized"? Civilian pepper spray ("Mace") is only 2 million SHU. I bet Tom uses that as mouthwash. Am I right that your Carolina Reapers and some of your Scorpions are hotter than civilian pepper spray?

At least Police-Grade Pepper Spray is hotter than you can grow (so far). At 5.3 MSHU, it must be 35% pure Capsaicin.

Hey, Tim, I think I still you some plastic snap-cap tubes! I'll go look for those. They were dinky little things.
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Feb 19, 2016 7:11 PM CST
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I am growing pepper types that have been tested at 2,009,000 and 2.2 M but the actual peppers I produce may not be as hot. They vary depending on the time of year, so at least they may be close in July or August. There is already a pepper that has been said to reach 3M, but we will see. This CPR. looks pretty bad, it probably doesn't taste all that good but will probably make some great powder.
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Feb 24, 2016 2:58 PM CST
Name: KadieD
Oceania, Mariana Islands (Zone 11b)
Wet Tropical AHS Zone 12
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Weedwhacker said:Frank, if the sauce wasn't processed and actually "sealed," and not refrigerated, I wouldn't consider it safe to use.

Here's an article that explains it pretty well --
http://thehotpepper.com/topic/...


Sandy, thank you for this link!
On our island, a favorite is "donne' dinanche," which is a paste made of hot pepper. The "antigu" recipe calls for hot pepper, garlic, onions, eggplant, yard-long beans, vinegar, coconut crab aboni, and coconut milk. But now-a-days, the basic recipe is hot pepper, garlic, onions and vinegar. I have made it both ways and they taste really good! I pressure-can the mason jars after filling.

So now, with your link, I can create other variations on the theme. nodding (I love "Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?... Lovey dubby )
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Feb 25, 2016 1:44 AM CST
Name: KadieD
Oceania, Mariana Islands (Zone 11b)
Wet Tropical AHS Zone 12
Adeniums Tropicals Morning Glories Container Gardener Seed Starter Garden Ideas: Level 1
Dog Lover Cat Lover Bee Lover Vegetable Grower Butterflies Permaculture
@cycadjungle
I would like to grow pepper trees with lots of branches first. I know I will need to head off long branches so the stems could develop more branches...should I pinch off developing flower buds on other branches?
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Feb 25, 2016 8:05 PM CST
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Of you want to grow trees, you may not want them to branch too early just so the main stem can get some caliper to it. Pepper plants should be topped to branch early. Once they start to flower, they will naturally branch on their own. If you really want lots of branches to start with, I learned a trick. If you top the plant, it will branch into two tops. Because of apical dominance, hormones are sent to the top. The highest leaves left on the plant inhibit branching except for the top. As an example, if you top a plant that has 6 sets of leaves already, strip 3 or 4 sets of leaves off so you have some leaves at the bottom to keep the energy going, but then you have a stick about 4 inches tall at the top. The top will branch as normal, but in this case, it will also branch at all the nodes that you removed the leaves from. So you can make it produce 4 to 8 branches instead of 2. I have done this twice where I was able to get the plant to branch 18 times and only be about a foot tall. This is more for producing a better bush, more than a tree.
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Name: KadieD
Oceania, Mariana Islands (Zone 11b)
Wet Tropical AHS Zone 12
Adeniums Tropicals Morning Glories Container Gardener Seed Starter Garden Ideas: Level 1
Dog Lover Cat Lover Bee Lover Vegetable Grower Butterflies Permaculture
@cycadjungle

I guess I should have said bush instead of tree. Hilarious! Hilarious! Yes, I would like a very bushy bush!

Thank you very much for the growing tip...it is wonderful of you to share your knowledge and experience! Smiling

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