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Aug 7, 2017 4:50 AM CST
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
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Lilium henryi (21 July)
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Aug 7, 2017 5:04 AM CST
Name: Dave
Southern wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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That's a nice bud count on your Henryi!
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Aug 13, 2017 9:26 PM CST
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
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Lilium speciosum var. rubrum

This pic clearly shows the "claws" at the tip of the bud that is characteristic of the species.
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Only one other species has longer claws: L. speciosum var. gloriosoides.
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Aug 13, 2017 10:30 PM CST
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Aug 15, 2017 5:12 PM CST
Name: Dave
Southern wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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Rick, is that characteristic in all speciosum including Album also? I have what is suppose to be Uchida, and Album, and both arr5 displaying this. Though both varieties were purchased and planted this spring, and not opened yet, so who knows if what I got was correct.

Edited to add: looks like one bulb surely is not Album. Just checked the garden and one of the "Album" is coloring up pink. That has been the bulb that really eludes me for some reason. Lol
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Aug 15, 2017 6:51 PM CST
Name: Joe
Long Island, NY (Zone 7a)
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Yes Dave that's a speciosum thing. Anastasia has a good percentage of speciosum in it and has the claws as well.
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Aug 15, 2017 6:58 PM CST
Name: Dave
Southern wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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Thank you Joe
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Aug 15, 2017 9:16 PM CST
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
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Joe is right: all speciosum types have this characteristic, and it is a good way to confirm that L. speciosum is in a parentage. Although if said lily does not have claws, that doesn't necessarily mean L. speciosum is not an ancestor.

At one time, I did have a L. speciosum var. album and it was pure white with only the midrib on the reverse that was greenish. If I remember right, it also had a small green center. I think the imposter with pink instead of green is more common now, but still a nice looking lily.
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Aug 16, 2017 9:53 PM CST
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
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A Lilium lijiangense seed pod
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This small size is normal for the small flowered clone. It is barely 3/4 inch wide. This is the normal stance of L. lijiangense pods. Pedicels are long and descending when flowering, and make no attempt to stand more upright during pod development. The pod itself, however, does turn upward.
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Jun 12, 2018 2:03 PM CST
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
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This first Lilium dauricum is from Darm Crook. It from the seed he labeled as "pink overlay". Indeed it does. The orange has a pink hue in it, and the center area is very dark pink.

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This Lilium dauricum is from wild seed, collected on Sakhalin Island, Russia (just north of Japan). The white edge on the foliage is not variegation; it's made of the same kind of material as the the fuzziness on the buds. As the summer progresses, it disappears.

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Lilium pumilum 'Golden Gleam'

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Lilium martagon var. albiflorum

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Jun 12, 2018 2:27 PM CST
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I bought some of that "pink overlay" L. dauricum seed back when it was offered. It sits in my freezer until I figure out (and have the space) what to do with it. It looks real nice, Rick.
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Jun 13, 2018 5:38 AM CST
Name: della
hobart, tasmania
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All these pretty species prompted me to dig around for a few pics of (relatively) new (to me) species that bloomed last summer. How can I have hundreds of pics and no decent ones! Oh well! Rolling on the floor laughing

Here's Lilium lancifolium var. flaviflorum, grown from seed:

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...and from the same batch of seed, immaculatum form:

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Don't you just love how the pale filaments fly away like that?

And finally, I swear this is the Hardest Lily to Photograph Ever - L. poilanei, as flowered from seed obtained from Yijia Wang, Vietnamese provenance:



It smells like fruit salad, heavy on the pineapple! Yummmm....
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Jun 13, 2018 5:41 AM CST
Name: Dave
Southern wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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L. Poilanei is stunning Della Drooling
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Jun 13, 2018 5:55 AM CST
Name: della
hobart, tasmania
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Oh, it is! Lovey dubby Absolutely delicious!!
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Jun 13, 2018 6:18 AM CST
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Magnificent, Della. How many of your L. poilanei made it to flowering size? And may I ask what conditions were most successful for growing them?
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Jun 13, 2018 6:47 AM CST
Name: della
hobart, tasmania
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Thanks Joshua! I had 4 clones make it to flower this year, and there was quite a bit of variation among them. The one I posted was most pleasing to my eye (others had less contrast), I guess... as it seems to be the one I kept trying to photograph - haven't found pics of the others! I remember one was almost absent of markings. Hmmm... now how many seeds did I start with to get 4 to flower? Something like *mumbles*. errggg... ok. 120. I killed over 100! And one of the clones that bloomed keeled over right after flowering this summer. I think I over-watered it :(

I have tried to keep the mix on the limey side (reportedly their native rock is limestone) and very free-draining. They are semi-monsoonal in habitat, from what I understand. So need to be dry over winter, wet in spring, decreasing water from flowering onward and into autumn to be dry for winter again. 'Dry' being relative of course, not total. I just keep them in styrofoam for the insulation value and move the box under cover for winter. I learned that by, um... killing so many of them.

Haven't really cracked the secret yet!

Green Grin!
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Jun 13, 2018 6:48 AM CST
Name: della
hobart, tasmania
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Oh wow - thanks for the acorns, Joshua! Smiling
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Jun 13, 2018 7:14 AM CST
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Thanks Della. Don't worry, I've killed many seedlings thus far as well... haven't gotten anything to flowering size yet, though I'm hopeful for blooms next year (i.e. Spring/Summer 2019) from L. candidum.
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Jun 13, 2018 7:54 AM CST
Name: della
hobart, tasmania
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Oooh, I hope you get blooms too! I'm a serial candidum killer.... they grow great for the first few years then I lose them before they reach flowering size. Same with monadelphum and szovitsianum. Sighing!
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Jun 13, 2018 9:38 AM CST
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
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Della, very nice L. landifolium var. flaviflorum, and what a huge bonus to have both the maculatum and immaculatum forms! Hurray! Very strong dark tepal edging on the petals that might be of hybridizing use.

I grew L. poilanei from seed , three of them to start, for a 3-4 years. Never made it to flower, but that was due to my own neglects: frying them by multiple accidental laps of watering, and finally, losing the pot in my menagerie, and it went through our Minnesota winter outside. D'Oh! The foliage pic below was taken a few days after a minus 4°C night, and they came through just fine, at least under the eave of my roof where the frost does not form on the leaves. So they are more cold tolerant than one might think. Overall, I found them to be quite resilient.

I did have two of them produce stems, but don't seem to have pics of that:

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That's one good thing when you have lots of seed/plants to play with. You can learn a lot by trial and error. nodding

I really don't know positively, but I wonder if L. poilanei really prefers a limy soil. Here in southern Minnesota, most of the base rock is limestone, and even on the limestone bluffs we have native acid loving plants growing right on top of the limestone. I think it really depends more on plant and soil flora that is present. When I grew it, poilanei was very happy in a bark based soil, pH adjusted to only slightly acid. Back then, I assumed that since it was allied with L. primulinum, it would prefer a neutral or acid soil. (I did also find, however, that bark based mixes are incredibly hungry for nitrogen due to the ongoing bark decomposition - another set back to growth.) In addition, are there any high rainfall areas with high pH soils? I don't think so. It might be partly because rain is naturally slightly acidic, but its buffering capacity is really low. No, I think it has more to do with chemical reactions inherent in such a climate and its natural floras.

My guess is that poilanei is just more pH tolerant than we think. Not that I would expect you to know, Della, but if you have a guess for the pH of the soil you created, do tell. I would be interested in what you do to create a limy soil. It has always been my contention that merely adding hydrated lime (the powdered stuff) to a soil mix will keep soil from getting too acid, but is too dangerous to use to produce a high pH. Reactions are too quick, and the correct amount to use is difficult to determine. It's easy to overdo. With my alpines that need a higher pH, I will add ad just a bit of hydrated lime, but also incorporate lots of crushed limestone of various sizes (1-5mm) to the mix for pH permanency.

I am going to assume the difficulty photographing the poilanei flowers stems from the light showing through the white tepals unevenly. That's always difficult for me, too, with flowers that don't have opaque enough color. Cloudy days with the most even light intensity all around seems to work best.

It seems all the lilies in the primulinum "clan" produce enormous amounts of pollen. Do make use of it....
I've tried it on everything with little success, but you will have other genetics that might be more compatible. For me, the only thing that may have taken is single seedling from L. davidii x (mixed Aurelian and L. majoense pollen) that in its third year is certainly growing into something that is that cross, and I still have majoense hopes. I know I took a pic of the potted plant last year, but heck if I can find it. So here it is in the one leaf stage and bulbs that are certainly not davidii that I planted out last fall.

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The hardest lily to photograph has always been a martagon that is always the first to flower each season. Tried again this year - yuck.....

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