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Nov 10, 2015 7:16 PM CST
Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
Daylilies Dog Lover Houseplants Organic Gardener I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Garden Ideas: Level 2
LynneHTx said:My Wants:
Texas wildflowers and natives
Passalong plants and bulbs


I'm not sure what wildflowers there are in Texas, but I think I do have a wildflower mix that's just a general one. Were you looking for any specific flowers in the mixture? Smiling

Per your second request, though, just a reminder that this swap is just for seeds Rolling my eyes. (I'm hoping, too, that we'll eventually get something figured out to reasonably accommodate plant swaps, but that's for a later date.) I hinted at the question of whether bulbs were allowed and I don't know where things stand on that. There are tiny bulbs that someone is offering, but I don't know where the line is drawn. On that, I'd say it can't hurt to ask! (Personally, I'd love to have an amaryllis bulbette or bulb...)
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Nov 10, 2015 7:43 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
I hope and think that Dave will be adding tools for searching and filtering the OFFER lists over the next few weeks, months or whatever.

I hope some of those allow for searching the combined Offer lists!

It's like the Librarian's Dilemma: sure there is lots of information "there" ... but finding what you want is hard.

"Overwhelming" is the only word I know for a big swap, or a small 20-person swap, each with big lists!

It's heresy for a Piggy to admit this, but I bet that many people were deterred from joining Ella's Hog Wild Swap when they saw dozens of Offer lists, each many pages long!

Heresy #2:
I am SUPER glad that we won't have to wade through multiple threads, each with hundreds of posts, to make and respond to requests! That almost deterred me, but I relied on C-mail as much as I could, then scanned the HUGE threads when I could.
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Nov 10, 2015 8:19 PM CST
Name: Lynne
Houston, TX. Zone 9b (Zone 9b)
Enjoys or suffers hot summers I helped beta test the first seed swap Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
DogsNDaylilies said:

I'm not sure what wildflowers there are in Texas, but I think I do have a wildflower mix that's just a general one. Were you looking for any specific flowers in the mixture? Smiling

Per your second request, though, just a reminder that this swap is just for seeds Rolling my eyes. (I'm hoping, too, that we'll eventually get something figured out to reasonably accommodate plant swaps, but that's for a later date.) I hinted at the question of whether bulbs were allowed and I don't know where things stand on that. There are tiny bulbs that someone is offering, but I don't know where the line is drawn. On that, I'd say it can't hurt to ask! (Personally, I'd love to have an amaryllis bulbette or bulb...)


I have a tiny yard near downtown Houston. Am using this trade as an opportunity to pass along seeds I collected from my yard or those I bought and later researched and decided they didn't fit (too big for my yard or wrong environment). If no one wants them, thats fine too. I live on a corner and have planted my parking strip, between the sidewalk and street, with natives so have to be concerned with height and making it 'look' organized. So far, so good.
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Nov 10, 2015 9:03 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
Welcome to the swap, Lynne!

I have very few saved seeds this year, so it's great to see someone with lots of their OWN seeds.
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Nov 10, 2015 9:11 PM CST
Name: Lynne
Houston, TX. Zone 9b (Zone 9b)
Enjoys or suffers hot summers I helped beta test the first seed swap Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
RickCorey said:Welcome to the swap, Lynne!

I have very few saved seeds this year, so it's great to see someone with lots of their OWN seeds.


I need to learn how and when to harvest seeds. I have lots of plants I could pull seeds from, but sometimes dont know what the seeds look like for that particular plant or when they are ready.
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Nov 10, 2015 9:27 PM CST
Name: Ronnie (Veronica)
Southeastern PA (Zone 6b)
Count your blessings, be grateful
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Rick one of the reasons I never joined the "piggy" swap was because there were just too many people *Blush*

@DogsNDaylilies yes it is overwhelming and this is a relatively small swap compared to some...if it helps, what I did was write down who's in the trade, look at there list and copy and paste what I like in a text folder...stared the ones I want most. And boy do I have quite a few I like nodding
Kindness is the language which the deaf can hear and the blind can see.
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Nov 10, 2015 9:42 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
>> sometimes dont know what the seeds look like

I have that same problem almost every time. At worst, I clean them, then do a fast germination test on different parts. Just wet coffee filters in stackable glass bowls, but sandwich baggies are as good as bowls.

Often, what I think is chaff still has lots of viable seeds.

(Here's a "trick" that didn't occur to me for ages. Did you save any seeds from the original packets? That's what they look like! So it really WAS useful to save almost-empty packets, or to label carefully whatever was left over.)

Can I find that website that publishes tiny pictures of many seed varieties? No, but I CAN find the Stickies in the Seed Forum!

The Ultimate Resource for Seed Collectors
http://theseedsite.co.uk/db1.h...
Thank you, @Joannabanana!



>> or when they are ready.

Yeah. One rule of thumb is "let them ripen on the vine as long as possible". Expect the seed head or seed pods to look brown and fairly dead when fully ripe. In my climate, I wait until the Fall drizzle starts, then everything rots, then ripeness doesn't matter. Sad

Since you have a variety of plants, I'd suggest picking a few where you have a fairly good idea what the seeds are, or the heads better be ripe because they sure look dead. Grab one head from each of those varieties, and fiddle around with dissecting them to see what you can see. Take your time rather than push the first year.

During this time, you'll learn which varieties look innocent for weeks, and then all drop their seeds overnight and giggle at having fooled you. THOSE jokers are for next year, maybe with organza bags, maybe not until you want more of a seed-snatching-challenge.

Maybe, when you see a variety looking brown and sad, pluck one seed head and dissect it. If anything is small, dark and hard or plump, they might be ripe seeds. Collect a few more heads.

Once you're fairly sure of 1-2 varieties, and they do seem ripe, collect a bunch and continue drying indoors.
But if you have no rain expected and no heavy dews, why not let them ripen a little longer?

Many plants will plain fall apart when the seeds are ready, to get them started roaming.
If you have to pull at something to release it, it might not be ripe, or it might not be a seed.

Sometimes you'll hear them rattle in their pods when "ripe".

Often seeds change color from pale to dark (maybe they have an agreement with the birds that spread them, to leave the pale ones alone for a few more weeks).

If they drop when ripe, well ... wait until they drop and then collect them just a few days earlier. Whistling

Or watch closely, every day, and grab them all as soon as a few "pop". Or bag some with organza bags to catch the seeds when they drop. Or put out plates or boxes or something to catch some when they drop.

I think it's a learning process, but more experienced people may have better advice.

Do you have any Delphiniums? I grew some Pacific Giants. They held the seeds in little cups forever, and I let them sit there forever. . I knew they were plenty ripe because I brushed against it and they rattled like a baby rattle. I put a big cardboard box under the flower spikes, leaned them over one at a time and just POURED the seeds out into the box. Black, hard, plump shiny seeds without a trace of chaff.

Can't beat that with a stick!
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Nov 10, 2015 9:47 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
luvsgrtdanes said:...if it helps, what I did was write down who's in the trade, look at there list and copy and paste what I like in a text folder...stared the ones I want most. And boy do I have quite a few I like nodding


I'm looking forward to Dave eventually releasing sheaves of features for searching ... and, I hope, for exporting some of the lists as plain text.

I want to garb that, fold it, spindle it, and possibly mutilate it.

Or, search it offline and highlight the things I want. Perhaps foolishly, I even want a text copy of my own Offer lists (overall and for each swap). Sometimes it's easier to search and work with something in a totally generic form than in the very best specialized GUI application. But I'm old school.
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Nov 10, 2015 9:50 PM CST
Name: Ronnie (Veronica)
Southeastern PA (Zone 6b)
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I do much better with the generic form Whistling
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Nov 10, 2015 9:51 PM CST
Name: Jay
Nederland, Texas (Zone 9a)
Region: Texas Region: Gulf Coast Charter ATP Member I helped beta test the first seed swap I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier Tip Photographer Garden Sages Garden Ideas: Master Level Hibiscus
Rick if Dave created 1/3 of the feature you want, it would take a 432 page manual to learn how to work it. Unless of course you wrote it, then it would be 1085 pages not counting the appendices.
wildflowersoftexas.com



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Nov 10, 2015 10:13 PM CST
Name: Arlene
Grantville, GA (Zone 8a)
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Horntoad said:Rick if Dave created 1/3 of the feature you want, it would take a 432 page manual to learn how to work it. Unless of course you wrote it, 1085 pages not counting the appendices.
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Nov 10, 2015 10:20 PM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Ford River Twp, Michigan UP (Zone 4b)
(Zone 4b-maybe 5a)
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Horntoad said:Rick if Dave created 1/3 of the feature you want, it would take a 432 page manual to learn how to work it. Unless of course you wrote it, then it would be 1085 pages not counting the appendices.


I wouldn't normally quote a post right after someone else did, but I just can't stop laughing about this one! You are SO right, Jay!! Hilarious!
“Think occasionally of the suffering of which you spare yourself the sight." ~ Albert Schweitzer
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Nov 11, 2015 5:10 AM CST
Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
Daylilies Dog Lover Houseplants Organic Gardener I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Garden Ideas: Level 2
luvsgrtdanes said:...if it helps, what I did was write down who's in the trade, look at there list and copy and paste what I like in a text folder...stared the ones I want most. And boy do I have quite a few I like nodding


Thank you. I actually did that, too, although I hand wrote them on paper; but now the lists are longer, so now I have to go back through and try to figure out what I did and didn't look at already. Rolling my eyes.

It would be neat if all of they all had agiant flashing sign saying "new since the last time you looked" Hilarious! (I'm kidding)
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Nov 11, 2015 5:39 AM CST
Name: Cinda
Indiana Zone 5b
Dances with Dirt
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Because the current talk is on identifying &collecting seeds I thought I would just remind you all that Our Database is for seed photos also and the acorn reward is the same as for a beautiful flower photo.
A great thing to do in the winter months while collecting and sorting your seeds Thumbs up
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Nov 11, 2015 9:36 AM CST
Name: Kim
Iowa (Zone 5a)
I kill ornamentals... on purpose.
Enjoys or suffers cold winters Spiders! Critters Allowed Birds Houseplants I helped beta test the first seed swap
Region: Nebraska Keeper of Poultry Rabbit Keeper Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Procrastinator Garden Ideas: Level 2
LynneHTx said:

I need to learn how and when to harvest seeds. I have lots of plants I could pull seeds from, but sometimes dont know what the seeds look like for that particular plant or when they are ready.


For me, Prairie Moon nursery has become a great place to look at photos of seeds. I wish I had looked at it before tossing many of the Beardtongue seeds thinking the insides of the pod had rotted or something.
http://www.prairiemoon.com/see...

Here is another site I use... maybe there is one for Texas specifically?
http://castle.eiu.edu/~prairie...

Agreeing very much with Gardengus, get your photos of the seeds onto the data base. :D I think I was able to add ten photos of seeds because of the swap. Besides getting acorns, it will help others when they need to know what seeds look like.

Though not pertaining to the swap itself, try to get photos of the seedlings when they emerge. That really is invaluable for native plants, in particular, because there are not many images around. AND a big thing I learned this year... seedling leaves may not look like the mature leaves at all.
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Nov 11, 2015 8:24 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
Horntoad said:Rick if Dave created 1/3 of the feature you want, it would take a 432 page manual to learn how to work it. Unless of course you wrote it, then it would be 1085 pages not counting the appendices.


Too true! ALL too true!

(putting on a serious, straight face)

That's why it's so important to have appendices! So there is room for the details!

I am in an industry where we talk a document's "Thump Factor".

Is it ready for release to the customer?

Print it out and bind it.
Drop it onto a standard table from 24" up.

If it only says "thump" it's not ready.

If it says "THUMP", it's ready.
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Nov 11, 2015 8:48 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
RickCorey said:

Too true! ALL too true!

(putting on a serious, straight face)

That's why it's so important to have appendices! So there is room for the details!

I am in an industry where we talk about a document's "Thump Factor".

Is it ready for release to the customer?

Print it out and bind it.
Drop it onto a standard table from 24" up.

If it only says "thump" it's not ready.

If it says "THUMP", it's ready.

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Nov 12, 2015 10:09 AM CST
Name: Kim
Iowa (Zone 5a)
I kill ornamentals... on purpose.
Enjoys or suffers cold winters Spiders! Critters Allowed Birds Houseplants I helped beta test the first seed swap
Region: Nebraska Keeper of Poultry Rabbit Keeper Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Procrastinator Garden Ideas: Level 2
RickCorey said:

Too true! ALL too true!

(putting on a serious, straight face)

That's why it's so important to have appendices! So there is room for the details!

I am in an industry where we talk a document's "Thump Factor".

Is it ready for release to the customer?

Print it out and bind it.
Drop it onto a standard table from 24" up.

If it only says "thump" it's not ready.

If it says "THUMP", it's ready.



This is acorn worthy! Not only did it make me laugh, it made my husband laugh. Hilarious!
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Nov 12, 2015 11:32 AM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
Thank you for the acorn! I hope it grows into a might Oak tree of verbose whimsy, over the decades.

It must be nice to have a career where you can do something withOUT generating multiple 500-pages docs first.


"Umm, you know your hair is on fire? Don't you want to put it out?"

"NO!! Do you know how many DOCUMENTS I would need to create and have peer reviewed afterwards?!? Not worth the effort."


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Nov 12, 2015 11:35 AM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Ford River Twp, Michigan UP (Zone 4b)
(Zone 4b-maybe 5a)
Charter ATP Member Bee Lover Butterflies Birds I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
Seed Starter Vegetable Grower Greenhouse Region: United States of America Region: Michigan Enjoys or suffers cold winters
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