DnD's All Seeds Swap: Seed Viability (older seeds)

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Name: Kayleigh
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HoosierHarvester
Dec 15, 2015 8:44 AM CST
I was just reading through these swaps trying to get an idea of how they worked and if I'd like to do it just for fun (don't really want/need any seeds with the exception of heirloom vegetables). I noticed under the topic "Questions", that it was said to consider even older seeds. I agree with this, while there are those few that are actually only viable (good) for one year. And I know of several that are good for only 2 years, including columbine (aquilegia) and delphinium (which are not listed on the following link). Here was a quick list of some common flowers, vegetables and herbs.
http://www.clearcreekseeds.com/seed-viability-chart/
Name: Elena
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bxncbx
Dec 15, 2015 9:38 AM CST
It really depends on how the seed is stored. I keep mine in the refrigerator. I've had delphinium seed sprout that is way older than 2 years. And ageratum seed can remain viable in the ground for many years. I was renting a house and had the backyard aerated. I got a huge stand of ageratum that I never planted that summer! My neighbor told me several years earlier another renter had planted ageratum there. My worst luck is with pansy/viola seeds but I think it might be because I try to germinate them in a room that is too warm.
Name: Kayleigh
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HoosierHarvester
Dec 15, 2015 10:27 AM CST
bxncbx said: . . . I've had delphinium seed sprout that is way older than 2 years. And ageratum seed can remain viable in the ground for many years. I was renting a house and had the backyard aerated. I got a huge stand of ageratum that I never planted that summer! My neighbor told me several years earlier another renter had planted ageratum there. My worst luck is with pansy/viola seeds but I think it might be because I try to germinate them in a room that is too warm.

@bxncbx you're lucky with the delphinium then. I too store the seeds in refrigerator and seldom get germination after 2 years. Same with columbine. I have no idea about ageratum, but that's interesting. Thumbs up

Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
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RickCorey
Dec 15, 2015 12:42 PM CST
One thing that I did was to notice when seeds in my stash became embarrassingly old, like 2011 or 2012 seeds in 2015/2016.

Then I doubled up the old pkts so each held twice as much seed. The germination rate could go as low as 50% and they would still produce as many plants as the original packet when it was fresh.



Name: Elena
NYC (Zone 7a)
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bxncbx
Dec 15, 2015 2:07 PM CST
Rick, your seed isn't embarrassingly old! I have a ton of seed from 2007 & 2008! I don't bother swapping them since no one would take them. But they germinate for me just fine. I just let the plants go to seed and give out the fresh seed. I believe the Linaria, Fairy Bouquet was from seed from 2004!
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
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RickCorey
Dec 15, 2015 3:08 PM CST
I agree with you about both: many seeds will still be highly viable after 5 years, maybe even ten. But I don't try to trade them past five or so years.

Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
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DogsNDaylilies
Dec 15, 2015 4:07 PM CST
HoosierHarvester said:I was just reading through these swaps trying to get an idea of how they worked and if I'd like to do it just for fun (don't really want/need any seeds with the exception of heirloom vegetables).


By the way, I hope you decide to join, it really is a lot of fun! ...and you just may load up on some heirloom vegetable seeds in the process! ;)
Name: Kayleigh
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HoosierHarvester
Dec 15, 2015 4:28 PM CST
Thanks! What I was/am trying to do was/is calculate the cost for myself. I think swaps are fun; especially when the seed need or want is great. I haven't quite decided if I can justify, or if I need to just take the $7 and apply to an order that I know I will receive the exact 2 or 3 packets of heirloom tomato and pepper seeds that I want. *Currently* spreading finances a bit thin. Probably be better in a month or a couple; but then of course the swap will be over; or perhaps someone will run a veggie only swap. Shrug!

But I am wishing you and all that join in the greatest of fun, enjoyment, and lots of new seeds to try.
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Vegetable Grower
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RickCorey
Dec 15, 2015 6:05 PM CST
Don't forget to count the cost of sending seeds to DnD. That's at least $2.50, even in a weighed bubble mailer sent early enough for First Class mail to get there.

But I hope more "vegetable people" sign up!

To me, the hardest part of seed trading is listing oddball singleton seed packets. When I have only one of something but don't want it anymore, it seems like a lot of work to list just that one, older packet. But I used to join Heather's tomato and pepper swap, in Canada but accepting US members. So I have many odd packets getting older every year.

Ignoring for the moment how old they are and whether I already gave it away but fialed to reocrd that fact, do any of these sound desirable to you?


ULTRA-EARLY & COLD-TOLERANT:

'Glacier' - ultra-early, cold-tolerant, SEMI-DET
'Stupice' - ultra-early, cold-tolerant, compact DET
'Northern Delight' - ultra-early, "for the Far North", 2' DET
'Beaverlodge' series - ultra-early, compact DET, containers (not sure about cold tolerance)

EXTRA-EARLY & COLD-TOLERANT:

'Manitoba' - extra-early, cold-tolerant, 3'-4' DET, "Canadian for colder climates"
'Matina' - extra-early, INDET, "dependable even in cold/wet summers"
'Sub-Artic Plenty' - extra-early, "Canadian", DET
'Oregon Spring' - extra-early, very cold-tolerant, "plant 4 wks before last frost & protect only when there's frost"


EXTRA-EARLY:

'Early Wonder' - extra-early, 3'-4' SEMI-DET, med red globe
'Siletz' - extra-early, reliable, DET, 4"-5" red
'Ildi' - extra-early, yellow grape pear, 8'-10' INDET
'Gold Nugget' - extra-early, 2-3' DET, bland yellow cherry
'Sungold' F1 - extra-early, 4'-8' INDET, containers, orange cherry


EARLY:

'Yellow Plum' - early, productive even in cold, 4'-6' INDET, yellow cherry
'Bloody Butcher' - early, cool climate, 4'-6'
'Maskabec' - early, 18"-36" DET, 4-6 oz. red globe
'Golden Rave' (hybrid) - early, gold Roma plum6'-8' INDET
'Husky Cherry Red' - early, semi-DET or dwarf INDET
'Sub Artic Cherry' - early, DET, pink, "developed in Alberta for short seasons"
'Early Cascade' - (hybrid but seems pretty true) - early, short-summer, PNW, "reliable: sets fruit in any climate", red-orange


LESS EARLY:

'Marmande' - semi-early, cool climate, med-large red beefsteak type, full flavor
'Early Girl' (hybrid) - semi-early, med red globe, flavorful
'Santa Cherry' / 'Santa Sweets' - mid-season, tolerates cool summers, 4'-8' INDET
'Morden Yellow' - mid-late, Canadian for colder climates, 2'-3' DET, med yellow globe


Yellow or oranged toms:

Taxi (bright yellow)
Ildi OP Yellow Grape Tomatoes vig, prolific sweet - tasty
Sungold ORANGE Cherry HYBRID
Old Flame OP Tomato orange-yellow streaked with red
"Jaune Flammee" Tomato OP orange deep gold or red blush Indeterminate
Omar's Lebanese OP Tomato huge fruit 1-3 pounds Pink

Jaune Coeur de Pigeon Yellow Cherry Tomato OP
"Yellow Pear" Cherry Tomato OP
Yellow Plum Cherry Tomato productive even in cold OP
Aunt Ruby's Yellow Cherry
"Fargo" Yellow Pear Cherry Tomatoes
Sweet Gold Yellow Cherry Tomato EARLY F,T HYBRID?



Ildi - pear - Yellow Grape INDET - Extra early - long life on or off vine (got plenty of seed)
Taxi - OP Early - bright yellow - DET 2'x2' vines heavy yield for 3-4 weeks (got plenty of seed)
'Jaune Flammee' Tomato OP - orange / deep gold or red blush - INdeterminate early 55 days
Gold Nugget - Yellow Cherry - EXTRA Early - reliable, vigorous in WA, bland
Jaune Coeur de Pigeon - Yellow Cherry Tomato OP 2010

'Azoychka' - 60-70 days, very early for so large - 5-10 oz - LEMON YELLOW & bright yellow interior (just 2-3 seeds if any)
very good acidic flavor with a hint of citrus. Bred by Russian hobbyist Valentina Petrovna Kruglova.
Russian Jewish nickname from Arabic female name, 'Aza', meaning 'comfort'.


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The following I would have AT MOST one pkt of each and may have already re-traded it. And it will be at least 2-3 years old. But if you like some of them, I'll go looking and see if I still have them. Then offer them in this swap, or some future veggy swap you join.

The spelling is whatever someone's handwriting and my eyes made it seem to be.

Early ssusabakus aliana
Chocolate Cherry
Super Snow White OP
Black Cherry OP
Yellow Pear
'Purple Cherry'
Sebastopol
Nikolayev Yellow Cherry
"Balcony Charm"
Early ssusabakus aliana

Jogodka OP small early cool tolerant Gary Handova
'Dwarf Beryl Beauty ' OP

Gardener's Delight
Koralic
Lyana
Kalinka

BEAVERLODGE PLUM
Ispolin (Russian)
Esterelle
Matina
Marmande (from POAJoan)
Amish Salad
Red Alert
Moskovich / Moskvitch
Legend OP
Siletz
Rocket Bush
Mountain Princess
'Bushy Charbarovsky'
Red Alert

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VERY HOT
'Trinidad Scorpion Red' Pepper - 1.4 M SHU
'7-Pot Jonah' - alleged 1 M SHU
'Bhut Jolokia' = 'Naga Ghost' - 850K SHU
7 Pot Red Mix
7 Pot Yellow
7 Pot Chocolate
Aji Red
Aji Umba


MEDIUM HOT
'Thai Bird' Pepper > 30 K SHU
'Arbol de Chili' Pepper HOT 15K-30K
'Guam Boonie' - light green to orange to red
'Piquin' - "bird pepper" points up
'Peter Pepper' - "Penis Pepper" - twisted oblong
'Fish' Pepper - 5K-30K - late
'Cherry Bomb' Pepper 5K-30K - HYBRID
Japones

Name: Kayleigh
(Zone 5a)
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HoosierHarvester
Dec 15, 2015 7:13 PM CST
Instead of posting here, I sent you a T-Mail @RickCorey
Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
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DogsNDaylilies
Dec 16, 2015 5:39 AM CST
Rick, I just got my seed catalog from Peaceful Valley and a couple of the seed varieties I circled as 'think about buying' are in your list. The tomatoes I circled were intended to be part of a gift to a friend, so I have to consider if I'm okay giving her non-new seeds as a gift, but if I am, would you consider listing those varieties in the swap? (I'm willing to take my fair gamble at getting them. Big Grin )
Name: Kayleigh
(Zone 5a)
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HoosierHarvester
Dec 16, 2015 8:11 AM CST
I think I was a little confused as to Rick's post here, perhaps it appears some pre-arrangements to this swap were initiated. Because after further consideration last evening, I got out my Totally Tomatoes order form and decided I just needed to go that direction and order from them because they also had a couple other items (not seeds) that I wanted. So I will probably be set for the few seeds that I want. But I may join just to help out and donate some seeds. Is that a possibility without asking seeds in return? and not paying the $7? When considering this swap, I had started making the list here at ATP, but have no idea how to access the items I had posted for available.
Name: Kayleigh
(Zone 5a)
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HoosierHarvester
Dec 16, 2015 8:26 AM CST
I did figure out how to get back to and manage my swap list.
Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
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DogsNDaylilies
Dec 16, 2015 8:32 AM CST
Keyleigh, I don't see any harm in donating seeds, I'm sure people would greatly appreciate that! My recommendation is to join the swap, offer up the seeds you'll be donating (please note that you'll still be paying your own shipping to get the seeds here, of course), and just don't request any for yourself during the swap. If you don't request any for yourself, you won't need to contribute the $7 fee. If, after the swap starts, you get tempted by all of the goodies being offered up, you can change your mind and become a 'fully participating' member and just remember to send in the $7 like everyone else. You have the flexibility of deciding whether to 'fully' join or just donate. :)
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
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RickCorey
Dec 16, 2015 12:40 PM CST
DogsNDaylilies said:Rick, I just got my seed catalog from Peaceful Valley and a couple of the seed varieties I circled as 'think about buying' are in your list. The tomatoes I circled were intended to be part of a gift to a friend, so I have to consider if I'm okay giving her non-new seeds as a gift, but if I am, would you consider listing those varieties in the swap? (I'm willing to take my fair gamble at getting them. Big Grin )


Certainly I'll offer them IF I still have those varieties. And they could well have been received by me, in a trade, in 2011.

But you should make sure i do still have them first!

Which ones were you interested in? I'll see if I have them,
set them aside if I do, and then offer them in the swap.

With gardeners as experienced as many here at ATP, it can be difficult to find a seed variety that's interesting, that they have NOT yet bought and tried.

One person was interested in Omar's Lebanese "pink" tomato, 1-3 pounds. So I need to dig through the "Tomato" jug already.

Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
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DogsNDaylilies
Dec 16, 2015 12:59 PM CST
RickCorey said:

Which ones were you interested in? I'll see if I have them, [/b] set them aside if I do, and then offer them in the swap.



Thank you for looking!

I am open to a variety, but the particular types I was looking at are:

Tomatoes:
Black Cherry
Siletz

If I decide I need another variety of pepper, I was interested in the Chocolate one.
Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
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DogsNDaylilies
Dec 16, 2015 1:02 PM CST
...I might actually be interested in a couple of other tomato varieties, too. The ones I listed above just happened to be varieties I was looking at in the catalog that I wanted, but for the couple of other tomato varieties, I'll just see what's listed in the swap since I'm non-specific about it. Big Grin
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
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RickCorey
Dec 16, 2015 4:28 PM CST
OK, I'll check on Siletz, Black Cherry and 7-pot Chocolate chili pepper.

While I'm going through that jar, I'll see what I have multiples of and list some of them.

Most of my new listings will be seeds that just arrived or are about to arrive. They need to be split and labelled. I've printed the labels, but I need time and open table space to do the splitting.

Two and a half weeks to swap-start!
Name: Jim D
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jimard8
Dec 17, 2015 3:49 PM CST
RickCorey Ildi - pear - Yellow Grape INDET - Extra early - long life on or off vine (got plenty of seed) I would like to try these ,, Also those Tithonia , I have pods of , new nice seeds ,, How many would you like . About an 80 to 90% germination rate last time I tried ,
I have about 5 seeds of Barieria cristata and a Skippy Hybrid , viola's about 10 seeds I can share with you
They were packed for 2010 and 2012 or so , I still want to try them also , so I will split them with you
Also white and Blue and purple annual Hybrids still blooming outside , if they make seeds I will send them along , ??? I know they like 30 degrees , Still finding out what does at 20 degrees . tough annual ..
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Name: Rick Corey
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RickCorey
Dec 17, 2015 4:12 PM CST
O know I still have Ildi, I saw them last night. I made a note to offer some.

Please don;'t split off anything you have few of, for me! I might not get them planted this year, so save rare things for others! For me, flowers are at most an entertainment. It's veggies I'm serious about.

I would love some self-saved Tithonia! Red, orange, and/or yellow, I hope? Whatever seems a good number, 10-20 would be good.

During a trade, I often hold off on requesting things they only offer one of, if I think others might have a more urgent desire than I do. If its still there after a few days, I'll grab it.



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