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May 4, 2016 8:28 AM CST
Name: Sue Petruske
Wisconsin (Zone 5a)
I am still putting the flats outside during the day for several hours. Yesterday was overcast all day so they got to stay out for 8 hours or more. We are still having pretty cold nights now and then. Soon I'll be able to set the flats outside and leave them overnight. I'd love to get planting them in the ground but am waiting for the guy that is coming to till the new area I have plotted out for them. It was sod and I did some prep work last fall but I think it needs a little tilling.

tgarden 711: This is my first year with seedlings. How exciting to be seeing blooms on your seedlings. I can't wait until (hopefully next year) I can post a picture of my first seedling bloom. Even if it's ugly, I'm going to post it. *Blush* Whistling

Latest picture of them is from their first day outside: April 16th

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May 4, 2016 8:32 AM CST
Name: Valerie
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Your seedlings look great, Sue. I am pretty much doing the same thing with mine. I am putting them out during the day, and bringing them in at night, as it is getting quite cold overnight. I am hoping to be able to leave them out overnight soon Smiling
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May 4, 2016 11:36 AM CST
Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
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I'm doing the same thing as you, although last night I was able to keep them out all night because it was mild temperatures outside.
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May 4, 2016 5:34 PM CST
Name: Valerie
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It is going to be mild tonight, so the seedlings are spending their first night outdoors Crossing Fingers!
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May 4, 2016 5:45 PM CST
Name: Regina
Warrenville, SC (Zone 8a)
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Load number one heading off to school tomorrow to my students Smiling

These are the ones I grew out for them to take home. I also included a couple of named cultivars (some with seed pods) for a few of my students that are really into it Smiling

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May 4, 2016 8:12 PM CST
Name: Sue Petruske
Wisconsin (Zone 5a)
scflowers said:Load number one heading off to school tomorrow to my students Smiling

These are the ones I grew out for them to take home. I also included a couple of named cultivars (some with seed pods) for a few of my students that are really into it Smiling

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Great job!! Need to get them addicted at a young age. Hurray!
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May 4, 2016 9:32 PM CST
Name: Becky
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May 4, 2016 10:34 PM CST
Name: Marilyn, aka "Poly"
South San Francisco Bay Area (Zone 9b)
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A few older seedlings have started their maiden bloom season here, but are struggling with the cold nights. Most of those have not opened properly, although a (volunteer) seedling today managed to do the job:

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Earlier this week I planted out 28 seedlings that I started back in February and March, after hardening them off for a week. Now I am wondering if maybe I should have waited longer on the smaller ones. Confused (I still have over 75 similarly small ones inside the house, but I think that maybe I need to let them get bigger before putting them out.)

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May 5, 2016 1:27 PM CST
Name: Ken
East S.F. Bay Area (Zone 9a)
Region: California
petruske said:I am still putting the flats outside during the day for several hours. Yesterday was overcast all day so they got to stay out for 8 hours or more. We are still having pretty cold nights now and then. Soon I'll be able to set the flats outside and leave them overnight.


Those really look nice, and quite a few are really starting to get some bulk to them.
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May 5, 2016 1:43 PM CST
Name: Ken
East S.F. Bay Area (Zone 9a)
Region: California
Polymerous said:
Earlier this week I planted out 28 seedlings that I started back in February and March, after hardening them off for a week. Now I am wondering if maybe I should have waited longer on the smaller ones. Confused (I still have over 75 similarly small ones inside the house, but I think that maybe I need to let them get bigger before putting them out.)


That's a nice setup. In this climate, if they get plenty of sun, they could have been planted a month ago. The only "problem" is that by the time they bloom next year, they'll be packed pretty tightly. I have an old stainless-steel boning knife that I use in the garden, and it's very handy for cutting out the unwanted seedlings as they bloom. That way, you don't need to try to wedge a shovel in there, the knife lets you "cut & scoop" out the crown without disturbing much else.

Is that a "leaky pipe" watering system, or are there emitters?

What kind of soil mix is in the bed?

Did you have to line the bottom with wire mesh for gophers?
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May 5, 2016 3:57 PM CST
Name: Marilyn, aka "Poly"
South San Francisco Bay Area (Zone 9b)
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Hi, Ken,

Briefly (I have to get back outside):

The small bed which I recently planted, was only just finished being excavated and built a week or so ago. My seedlings would have been too small to go out a month earlier, even if the bed had been ready. The beds get morning shade and afternoon sun. (There was really no better place to put the beds, short of starting to tear up a weedy and gopher infested lawn - and even that has a lot of shade.)

I planted an earlier (larger) bed similar to this around this time last year, and I have another larger bed (of that same size) ready to be filled, once I finish filling the smaller bed. In all of these beds, each seedling gets its own 6" x 6" planting area, so there is room enough for the seedlings to grow, without getting too crowded. The goal is to plant such that the beds turn over ever year, with most (if not all) of the seedlings having bloomed. The total combined seedling capacity for these 3 beds is 185 seedlings (not anywhere near enough, sigh), with each bed having 5 rows, and either 7 or 15 columns.

The images below were taken a few days ago, showing the older bed, and (click on the image to see the corner of the older bed) the area for all three seedling beds:

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What I have done in the past (in such packed situations) is to use hand pruners to cut the plant below the crown. (I'd probably do myself harm if I tried to use a knife.) I haven't taken the pruners to some problematic (rusty) seedlings that I recently found in the old bed... yet. (I did cut the foliage way back. )

The irrigation is a leaky pipe system, but I don't have the specifics as to size, because I did not construct it. (The original bed was done by a hydrologist we had doing some work here; the two newer beds were done to mimic the first one, with my few-hours-a-week garden helpers doing the work.) I believe that each piece of pipe enclosing each seedling has one drip hole in it. (When the seedlings are very small, I do keep an eye on them and supplement irrigation if needed with a watering can, until the roots can reach out to the drip areas on their own.)

Gophers don't bother daylilies (I should know, we have our fair share of gophers). However, those beds are under redwood trees, and we had to do some massive excavation of tree roots, and then line and bottom the beds (the "bottom" being more than a foot below the bottom of the wooden frame) with tree barriers. I fully expect that we may have to re-excavate the beds every few years or so.

The soil mix is a bit complicated. I was reading the forum in search of an easy but reliable formula, and looked at what Spunky I tip my hat to you. and others did , and made various modifications to that, based on what was available here, and what I do (and do not) like to use. (I refuse to allow Milorganite or any processed sewage sludge into the garden, and I have gotten picky about composts also, based on some bad experiences.) Very roughly, for a 39" x 7.5' bed (the older seedling bed), which can hold 75 seedlings (5 rows x 15 columns), we used:

12 cubic feet of Summerwinds Organic Planting Mix (green bags; sorry, don't have a picture)
8 cubic feet of fine (dime sized or so) redwood mulch (my garden helpers have a source for this and get it by the truckload)
32 qts of fine vermiculite (I gather not all vermiculite is "fine")

(This makes for a lovely loose soil, which I hope will make it relatively easy for digging the seedlings up, when it comes time.)

Once those are all mixed together (and an additional amount mixed and added, if necessary, to bring the bed level up), then into the top few inches of the mix we added:

Alfalfa meal (maybe 1/2 bag or more of a 3 lb bag; I should maybe increase this amount)
Dr. Earth or Gardner & Bloom All purpose organic fertilizer (roughly 3.5 lbs, used partly for the beneficial soil bacteria)
Maximize (a grossly estimated amount, based on the bag's directions; provides Fe/Ca/Mg)
Time Release fertilizer (general purpose Miracle Gro which is 12-4-8; we used about 1.5 cup)

In addition to all of the above, I have tried (sometimes failing) to supplement with liquid fertilizer (either Maxsea 16-16-16 or else a Peters formulation closer to the 3:1:2 ratio that daylilies want), every one or two weeks. (This was done by watering can.) Back in January-February, when most of the seedlings (dormant or Sev) had little foliage above ground, I also broadcast and scratched in more of the 4 granular amendments.

While the seedlings in the first bed did very well growth wise, with irrigation twice a week and the above extra amendments, I am experiencing the first of them trying to bloom this past week, and the blooms are not opening well. I don't know at this point whether to blame the cold nights or perhaps the soil is a bit too dry; my fear is that maybe the drainage in the bed is too good, and/or we aren't watering enough. (The lush growth could be attributed in part to our past wet winter?) I tried changing the controller setup to water more than twice a week, but my hydrologist says it's not that simple, and that we need to rewire those beds Grumbling . I'm having enough rust issues right now that I don't want to use a hose on the daylilies, and using a watering can is tedious (and not foolproof against spreading rust), so I'm not sure how I'm going to address this issue.

When I started planting out the smaller bed earlier this week, I had already noted the bloom-opening problems, so I added in some redwood compost to each planting cell, and mulched each little plantlet with the redwood fines.

I hope that answers your questions.

One final point that I should make, is that you will need to provide some protection against above-ground critters, anywhere from birds (who might go after very young seedlings), cats (who might think your bed is a litter box), raccoons (who might dig everything up in search of worms or grubs), or dogs (our dog is a fanatical hunter, and has divided many a plant here in mad pursuit of lizards and small frogs). What has worked well here is to take green wire fencing, cut lengths of that and then fold them into hoop tunnels, and lay those over the seedlings. The foliage and scapes can grow up through the wire mesh, while the crowns of the plants are protected. The downside, of course, is that if you have a seedling you need to cut/kill/cull in the middle of the hoop, it becomes difficult to get at. Once the plants get lush enough and/or scape, you can't really remove these hoops without potentially damaging scapes. Those hoops are there for the duration. Despite that drawback (and it is not insignificant), the hoop system is visually preferable to the alternative, which you will need if deer are an issue.

The older planted bed has this hoop system in place, for the most part. (I think I did remove one of the hoops for some reason, changed my mind, but couldn't get it back in there... but most of the seedlings are still protected.) I cropped part of the raw image of the bed so you can see the hoops more easily:

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If you have deer, this hoop protection scheme will be inadequate. In that event, you need to plan for fencing around the bed, partly to keep the deer from browsing it as a salad bar, but mostly to protect the bloom scapes. What we built in (I have not used it yet, because we finally managed to fence the deer out this winter), is PVC stakes sunk into the bed, at the corners and along the edges. The diameter of each PVC piece was chosen so that two 4' (I think they are) tall green metal garden stakes could fit inside. The plan was to use zip ties to tie the same green wire garden fencing (used to make the hoop tunnels) to the stakes, building a fence in segments. Each segment would then be installed into the PVC pieces, which would hold the stakes upright. This design scheme allows for removal of fence segments to get at the seedlings, while also Crossing Fingers! keeping the deer from eating the bloom scapes.

If you look closely at the above cropped image of the original bed, you will see a piece of black tape on the wooden front; that piece of tape is covering one of the PVC sleeves, to keep dirt and mulch out of it. Similarly, in the small recently planted bed, there is one PVC sleeve at each corner, to be used for fencing as needed. I zoomed in on the image, so you can more easily see the two tape-covered pieces at the back corners of the bed. (This image was taken before the seedlings were mulched, and the hoop tunnels installed.)

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And now that's really all.... this turned out to be not brief at all, but I wanted to give an adequate description of the setup, and its possible drawbacks. I do feel that it is, overall, a preferable scheme than to growing the seedlings in tree pots, which is what I have done up until now.
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May 5, 2016 4:35 PM CST
Name: Sue Petruske
Wisconsin (Zone 5a)
Those beds look great!
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May 5, 2016 7:50 PM CST
Name: Ken
East S.F. Bay Area (Zone 9a)
Region: California
Polymerous said:Hi, Ken,

Briefly (I have to get back outside):


Heh, heh... I say that all the time. Thank you for taking the time to put together a most informative explanation.

When I ran large numbers of seedlings, I used weepy-hose made from recycled automobile tires, running it the length of the rows, which consisted of seedlings planted on 9" centers in rows spaced one foot apart. One foot spacing allowed the seepage from the hose on one row to meet the seepage from the next in my fertile, but heavy clay-based soil. The only problem I had with this system was spider mites, which absolutely thrived under the dry leaves. My solution was to hand water every two weeks using a fertilizer injector which metered a soluble fertilizer mix with a little wetting agent added. I would spray upward from ground level, rinsing the underside of the leaves. The wetting agent I used back then (something similar to ethylene glycol?) seems to have been pulled from the market, so an insecticidal soap would probably be a good, earth-friendly substitute. Of course, this was back in the mid 80's, before rust. I don't know if I'd want to do anything like this now, unless I was spraying regularly for rust, which I still haven't been able to bring myself to do. Maybe it could be done in the morning, maybe Dawn soap would be better as a wetting agent.

If you think you need supplementary water, I would suggest a 3' water wand with a Dramm water breaker which you could slowly drag between the rows at ground level. I'd rinse it after each row to wash off any spores it might have picked up.

Gophers, while they don't seem to have much of a taste for daylilies, have occasionally pulled a favorite completely down into their tunnels and apparently consumed it. They're nothing if not persistent. I once had a gopher find a tasty bromeliad root which had run from its container into the soil below, and the gopher tunneled up from below, chewing its way through the bottom of a fairly heavy black plastic nursery can in order to consume the whole plant. Also, a gopher's tunneling & mounding will bury small lined-out plants and cause root systems to dry out. I trap, but I have what seems to be an inexhaustible supply of them coming in from the open area behind me. Thankfully I don't have problems with deer, but the other critters; feral cats, raccoons, possums, crows, rats and possibly rabbits have managed to do enough damage to where I have to cage the smaller seedlings which are gang-planted in their 4" pots. The problem isn't necessarily the plants that are killed, (although many are set back), it's the disruption caused by them tipping, pulling, or dumping the containers, mixing seedlings and labels. I've grown out more than a few seedlings which have 3 lineage possibilities written on the tags. Mostly they're easy enough to sort out when they bloom, but it's still a pain to deal with. And if I don't happen to catch the damage early, the uprooted seedlings will desiccate in the sun. Crows and other large birds are particularly bad, because they'll go in and pluck out a seedling here and there, and it's often not noticed until it's too late. Once the seedlings are lined out in the beds, they don't pluck so easily, and pretty much take care of themselves.

The soil mix you have should retain a good amount of moisture. What I've noticed over the years is that daylily plants love moisture, but too much moisture also leads to flowers that don't open well. The other thing is the unsteady coastal weather and cool nights. I think most seedlings tend to bloom very early in the year on their maiden bloom, which means even cooler nights. The third factor is the nature of the flowers you are breeding with. If you cross two recalcitrant openers, the kids will tend to have that trait as well. Lastly, it's just the nature of the beast, I think. One of the most challenging aspects of daylily hybridizing is that the seedlings have flowers which are seldom "mechanically competent". The petals are either oddly-shaped, or so thick that they open poorly, or thin with poor substance. Here, with 55° nights persisting until late June, poor opening is one of the biggest problems. That's even before other considerations such as clear color, form, and plant habit. It can be discouraging. I've grown some tall bearded Iris seedlings, and they were, by contrast, quite reliable bloomers, which means that a good percentage of them would make perfectly acceptable garden plants. They might be plain compared to their parents, or the color might be a bit off-putting, but they tended to perform fairly well. Daylilies are another matter, which is why the percentage of keepers is fairly low. Makes it more fun, I suppose.

I have some large eucalyptus, and their roots are some of the most invasive. When I constructed my two 4' x 8' raised beds, I put them right on top of the ground, using 4x8 pressure treated landscape timbers, stacked double on their edges to make walls about 14" tall. First I leveled the area, and laid down a layer of tar paper, a 4' x 8' piece of ½" hardware cloth, followed by another layer of tar paper, followed by 8 mil black plastic, and one more layer of tar paper. My idea was that a gopher would have no reason to tunnel upward into a foul-tasting sheet of tar paper, but if it did, the wire would stop it. The tar paper also would keep any sharp points or edges on the hardware cloth from poking a hole in the plastic. I extended the black plastic a foot or so past the edges of the bed so that roots would not be able to sneak in unnoticed at the perimeter. After setting the timbers in place, I cut 24" wide "runners" of black plastic and lined the bottom, inside face and top of the timbers with them, in order to keep the wood from contact with the soil. That was topped off by a 2x6 cap board for protection. It was elaborate and painstaking, but they've lasted 30 years, with no gopher or root intrusions. The water inside manages to find its way out, even though no special allowances were made for drainage around the perimeter.
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May 5, 2016 9:14 PM CST
Name: Marilyn, aka "Poly"
South San Francisco Bay Area (Zone 9b)
"The mountains are calling..."
Region: California Daylilies Irises Vegetable Grower Moon Gardener Dog Lover
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I haven't been able to bring myself to spray for rust either, for the most part. And when I did, it was only with Dawn (and one time, a year ago, a bleach solution), and only after cutting back foliage. Now I've moved up to trying Serenade, which at least is a biological spray. I'm dubious how effective it will be. (Obviously, I do not use systemic sprays. For reasons I won't go into, I have a strong bias against casual use of (non fertilizer) chemicals in the garden.)

I am surprised that you have had gophers eat daylilies; that has not happened here. In any event, I defy the gophers to chomp their way through the redwood roots, and then the tree barrier, to get at the seedlings. (Fwiw, none of us has ever seen gopher holes anywhere near that part of the garden... probably because of the tree roots.)

Your seedling bed setups sound rather more sophisticated than mine, what with injectors and tar paper and such. We built our beds out of untreated cedar, and they were designed with ease of dismantling in mind (because we will probably have to dig tree roots out again, and just in case the seedlings are harder to get out than I expect, it will be easier to not have the 4 board walls of the bed in the way). I don't care if the cedar eventually rots; I'm just happy, at this point, to have moved out of the tree pots.

I understand very well your point about poor opening; that, along with rust susceptibility, is one of my chief peeves with daylilies. Two seedlings which did not open well this week were from 'Arctic Lace' x 'Ballerina on Ice'. 'Ballerina...' is rumored to be a CMO, but I am not entirely convinced about that. I will concede, however, that one bloom was open the same day as one of the seedlings, and at least 'Ballerina...' did eventually fully open (although it took until afternoon to do so). The 'Arctic Lace' cross seedling never did.

As for other aspects of hybridizing... my interest (apart from daylilies that are rust resistant and whose blooms open well) is largely in tet polymerous daylilies, so I know all about challenges. Hilarious! I think I am getting a handle on that, though. I hope. Crossing Fingers! Sometimes I will admit that the challenge is not fun Glare , so sometimes I make some odd crosses for other things, just to see a little success in something. Regardless, the seedling patch surely helps keep life interesting.
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May 6, 2016 12:57 AM CST
Name: Ken
East S.F. Bay Area (Zone 9a)
Region: California
I wrote about so many things in that post, and probably too quickly, because I had one foot out the door. As a result, parts of different stories might have blended together a bit. Also, having no time for illustrations meant that some details of the bed construction were difficult to describe both quickly and accurately.

My seedling setup was very simple. It consisted of in-ground beds, for example, approximately 40' long and 9' wide with seedlings spaced at 9" running the length of 8 rows. The only thing special about those was the 40' run of leaky-weepy irrigation hose along each row. I had them connected in parallel via a simple PVC manifold. Water delivery rate was adjusted by a ball valve, because if over-pressurized, the leaky hose can produce random needle-sized jets which could reach up to 3' away.

The two 4x8 super-beds were for registered cultivars, and I had to build them root, rot & gopher proof simply due to their proximity to the eucalyptus. Because of their size and expense, plus the labor involved in building and filling them, failure was not an option. Smiling

The injector was a fine bit of engineering genius I discovered in the 80's—The Young Products M-P Mixer-proportioner, manufactured in the East S.F. Bay area and still a favorite of mine. Unlike common and affordable consumer-grade siphon-type mixers, it presents practically no water flow restriction, and more importantly, the concentration of chemicals delivered remains constant until the concentrate tank is empty, unlike most of the hose-end sprayers. Mine has a 2-gallon concentrate reservoir, they also offer a 5-gallon model. Either one can be permanently installed in a watering system, or connected into a hose line, which is how I use it. The mixing ratio is adjustable, to suit various chemicals and dilutions. I sure pumped a heck of a lot of Rapid-Gro through mine in the old days. Interestingly, I had never even heard of it before mail-ordering it from A.M. Leonard in Piqua, OH. Many years later when I needed some spare concentrate bags, I searched the internet and finally discovered that they're manufactured about 30 minutes from here.

http://youngproductsinc.com/mi...
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May 14, 2016 2:19 PM CST
Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
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Mayo62 said:my seedlings are doing not so well....

I sowed (sp??) quite some seeds last year, at the end of Summer/Autumn Whistling
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As it was my first time I didn't want to leave them outside during the Winter, beacuse I was afraid they would die in the cold
(in hindsight I might better have, we had a VERY mild Winter..)
So I bought a growtent and put them in the garage with lamps above them Thumbs up
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Then life happened and in January/February I had no time to take good care of them Sighing!
Gnats and aphids ran amok... Sad
I ordered baby Ladybugs, but before they could eat enough of the aphids, my seedlings looked like this...
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Crying

Today I picked the largest and the smallest survivors and took them out of their pots to look at their roots
because I think the leaves will grow again if the roots are ok..

And lo and behold (I love that phrase! Hilarious! ), look at that!
the smallest plant
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and it's roots
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and one of the bigger plants
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So, looking at the roots my seedlings had a really hard setback, but will be able to recover Hurray!


Next question of course is..... WHERE to put them?? Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing


Mayo




I've wondered several times how these are doing and when your bloom season begins. Update?
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May 14, 2016 3:42 PM CST
Name: Marilyn, aka "Poly"
South San Francisco Bay Area (Zone 9b)
"The mountains are calling..."
Region: California Daylilies Irises Vegetable Grower Moon Gardener Dog Lover
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My seedling setup was very simple. It consisted of in-ground beds, for example, approximately 40' long and 9' wide with seedlings spaced at 9" running the length of 8 rows. The only thing special about those was the 40' run of leaky-weepy irrigation hose along each row. I had them connected in parallel via a simple PVC manifold. Water delivery rate was adjusted by a ball valve, because if over-pressurized, the leaky hose can produce random needle-sized jets which could reach up to 3' away.

The two 4x8 super-beds were for registered cultivars, and I had to build them root, rot & gopher proof simply due to their proximity to the eucalyptus. Because of their size and expense, plus the labor involved in building and filling them, failure was not an option. Smiling

The injector was a fine bit of engineering genius I discovered in the 80's—The Young Products M-P Mixer-proportioner, manufactured in the East S.F. Bay area and still a favorite of mine. Unlike common and affordable consumer-grade siphon-type mixers, it presents practically no water flow restriction, and more importantly, the concentration of chemicals delivered remains constant until the concentrate tank is empty, unlike most of the hose-end sprayers. Mine has a 2-gallon concentrate reservoir, they also offer a 5-gallon model. Either one can be permanently installed in a watering system, or connected into a hose line, which is how I use it. The mixing ratio is adjustable, to suit various chemicals and dilutions. I sure pumped a heck of a lot of Rapid-Gro through mine in the old days. Interestingly, I had never even heard of it before mail-ordering it from A.M. Leonard in Piqua, OH. Many years later when I needed some spare concentrate bags, I searched the internet and finally discovered that they're manufactured about 30 minutes from here.

http://youngproductsinc.com/mi...


Sorry for the slow response, Ken.

You may consider your seedling setup "very simple", but I am mechanically (or is that hydrologically Confused ) challenged. Ball valves? Manifolds? Confused Duh.... I'm sorry, but you're clearly way ahead of me in this game.

Any irrigation work here is done by my garden helpers. (The entire irrigation system was reworked (because it was originally done badly) with manual labor done by my helpers, as directed by our hydrologist (who while knowledgeable, is now living up in Montana and so would not be able to help with any new systems).) I am about 100% sure that my garden helpers have never seen any kind of irrigation setup using injectors, so unless I could explain such a situation to them (good luck with that), I doubt that we could, or would, attempt such a setup here.

It would be nice, though, to be able to turn on a (readily accessible) valve and have the entire seedling bed liquid fertilize itself...
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May 15, 2016 3:54 AM CST
Name: Teresa Felty Barrow
South central KY (Zone 6b)
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I have some seeds planted in pots outside and I am still waiting for them to germinate. Some of great crosses from the LA. My seedlings from last year look good. Some have 2 or 3 fans while most are just a single. Does this mean they will be a stronger plant ?
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May 15, 2016 4:39 AM CST
Name: Cynthia (Cindy)
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Those are going to be your fast increasers Teresa. Sounds like they are doing great.
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May 18, 2016 12:56 PM CST
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needrain said:I've wondered several times how these are doing and when your bloom season begins. Update?


hi Donald,

most of my seedlings survived my negligence and are doing quite fine Thumbs up
I planted them all outsite and some look af if they might even try a bloom this Summer!! Lovey dubby

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