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May 11, 2016 11:48 AM CST
Name: Sue
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From what I read, A. glabra var. arguta has the leaves "fused" at the base, as does horse chestnut. The ordinary A. glabra is not fused at the base. I'd have to find the reference again though.
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May 11, 2016 12:19 PM CST
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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The sites I linked to above are educational sites, the leaf pic shows var. arguta.

Another, click on the photo and links ..

http://aggie-horticulture.tamu...

http://plants.usda.gov/java/la...
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May 11, 2016 3:03 PM CST
Name: Sue
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Some herbarium specimens here:

http://symbiota4.acis.ufl.edu/...
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May 11, 2016 3:50 PM CST
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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All the specimens have a narrow leaflet base or with a short stalk, they don't attach directly like this plant does.

The example Junker used from the internet is probably not what it says it is, it's on a blog.

http://garden.org/pics/2016-05...
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May 11, 2016 4:17 PM CST
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Ok so now what do we think haha here are some updated photos.


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May 11, 2016 6:59 PM CST
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX (Zone 9a)
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Back to Cannabis?
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May 11, 2016 7:33 PM CST
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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porkpal said:Back to Cannabis?


I doubt it, the leaves on Cannabis are single serrate. These are double serrate.

https://www.google.co.uk/searc...

I've made some discoveries from the last pics!

Two old stems, which are small but look to have been broken off maybe last year ... but the new growth is very robust all the same!

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I think I found a conker!! We don't know how it (or they) got there. (papery seeds showing in the first of the next pics too)

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I looked closer at a previous shot, there looks to be a few papery seeds on the surface! Something in the top left looks green like a bud.

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May 11, 2016 7:36 PM CST
Name: Sue
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In that middle picture above, the newest emerging leaf does look like Rodgersia!

Cross-posted, I noticed those seeds but I thought they were too small to be conkers (horse chestnut size anyway) in relation to the surroundings?
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May 11, 2016 7:49 PM CST
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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sooby said:In that middle picture above, the newest emerging leaf does look like Rodgersia!

Cross-posted, I noticed those seeds but I thought they were too small to be conkers (horse chestnut size anyway) in relation to the surroundings?


Rolling on the floor laughing

The nut could be an edible chestnut? The leaves don't match that but the nut could have been squirrelled there.

What about the small papery seeds? Notice there's some showing in the first of the nut photos, they are both of the same nut.
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May 11, 2016 7:55 PM CST
Name: Porkpal
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Those seeds remind me of elm seeds.

I was kidding about the Cannabis.
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May 11, 2016 7:56 PM CST
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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The papery seeds are Elm!

https://www.google.co.uk/searc...
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May 11, 2016 7:56 PM CST
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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Cross posted! Snap! Rolling on the floor laughing
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May 11, 2016 7:56 PM CST
Name: Sue
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Maybe Junker could pick up those nuts and seeds and take a picture so we can get a better look? I tried again to find pictures of Rodgersia that showed the stems, didn't find many and none had those white spots whereas horse chestnut does have them.

Cross-posted too - elm, of course, I knew I'd seen them before! So maybe just pick up the nuts.....
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May 11, 2016 8:17 PM CST
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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When I first saw the tree in leaf I had the impression there was some sort of seeds hanging behind young leaves in bunches. Could that be an Elm tree, and could the seeds have been lying there for so long? They have some protection, and I don't think there was any Elms in the street? I can't find a decent photo of a young tree but the shape looks right for Ulmus americana.

https://www.google.co.uk/searc...
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May 11, 2016 8:19 PM CST
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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Red-brown twigs with silvery branches?

https://www.google.co.uk/searc...
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May 11, 2016 8:26 PM CST
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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May 11, 2016 8:36 PM CST
Name: Sue
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There were some trees on the opposite side of the street a bit further down that were different, I'm not sure if I got a good enough look at them to figure out what they were and am not on the computer now so can't check until tomorrow. I don't know how many elms might be left there, DED has been quite devastating around here. Ashes have keys hanging off them that are visible from a distance and there are ashes on the street. I think the leaves in 2007 were too big for elm.
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May 11, 2016 8:54 PM CST
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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Ash was the first thought, I thought some of the trees in front of the flats looked to have keys hanging from them.

There's several Elms listed on the pdf posted by greene further up, including Princeton which I linked to. The shape goes up in a v shape the same as this tree, the angles of the branches look right.

https://www.google.co.uk/searc...

I will have to call it a morning and do the street searching later, it's nearly 4am here. Rolling my eyes.
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May 11, 2016 9:55 PM CST
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Will take pics of the seeds!
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May 12, 2016 3:27 AM CST
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4b)
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This document on trees from the City of Chicago is interesting, it says which trees are suitable for planting in tree cut outs with iron grates and is dated 2007. I found it when looking for a possible policy on elms because of DED but it seems they have some hybrids they can use:

http://www.cityofchicago.org/c...

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