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Jul 16, 2016 2:08 PM CST
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX (Zone 9a)
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Those roses are beautiful!!!
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Jul 16, 2016 3:38 PM CST
Name: Taqiyyah
Maryland (Zone 7a)
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Fantasy roses, Sharlene!
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Jul 16, 2016 9:35 PM CST
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Name: Zuzu
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Horrors! My gophers are suddenly very smart or very desperate. They've been gobbling my irises, abutilons, and any roses that weren't in gopher-proof cages more voraciously than ever this year, but this week they've also killed four roses that were in cages. They come at them overland, get into the cages from the top, and burrow down to the roots. The cats have caught five in the last couple of days, so there must be a huge colony here.

I'm so glad I bought hundreds of roses from Palatine, Hortico, and Pickering. The gophers have never bothered any rose grafted onto multiflora yet. My fortuniana-grafted roses are also safe, but I only have about 30 or 40 of those.
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Jul 17, 2016 7:07 AM CST
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX (Zone 9a)
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I can sympathize. We have a major gopher problem here, but ours are a different species or subspecies than yours and normally do not attack the roses. Recently, however, I suspect them of killing a fig tree which lost all its leaves shortly after a huge gopher mound appeared next to it. Our dogs are useless against gophers - in fact they are pretty useless in general. They try to dig them up, but gophers can dig faster than dogs and between the two critters, they make a dreadful mess.
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Jul 17, 2016 8:53 AM CST
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
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Gophers are so awful! So sorry for your losses and damage. Especially terrible considering the great lengths you've got to to protect your plants.
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Jul 17, 2016 12:33 PM CST
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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Oh, Zuzu ! I am so very sorry ! I am having to change much of my garden because I lost much of the good soil I have created by "feeding the soil" and no longer have viable soil for growing roses ... an unanticipated result of gardening on a watershed.

I can change the direction of how and what I garden, but solving a gopher problem seems like it would be beyond me.

I can't remember if I posted these links here, but If I have please forgive me, It's still a BIG deal right now

http://garden.org/thread/view_...

http://garden.org/thread/view_...

http://garden.org/thread/view_...

Yesterday, the person who said she was going to take all of the roses I have to dig up and give away told me she can't take them. These roses are no longer in commerce. I don't know what to do with them. It will kill me just to trash them.

That's my problem. YOURS is even more heartbreaking. I just lost a lot of hard labor and have to change directions and that will solve my problem. You will still have gophers.
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Jul 17, 2016 2:09 PM CST
Name: Sharlene Sutter
St. Gallen - Switzerland (Zone 6a)
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I had to google 'gophers' - we don't have them. Those teeth look like they could do an awful lot of damage! The only thing we have is hedgehogs! Everyone comments on how lucky we are and they would love to have them in the garden but they are making one hell of a mess of my lawn right now!! But roses and iris are not on the menu thank goodness.

Lyn - I hope you can find somebody to take your roses. I too hate trashing plants and always used to ask around when it came time for dividing but people are seldom interested Shrug!


It is a sad day here in 'Sunny Valley' - the sun did shine but the damper was that I trashed a rose!!

Crown gall!! Or that is what it looks like. I have never seen it myself and decided not to take any chances!.
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I can't believe how big it got but most of it was below the surface. I removed the entire plant and put it in the trash and then washed every thing, tools and buckets, with a strong bleach solution. I also removed quite a bit of the soil that was around the rose and am now sitting with great big hole in the middle of my rose bed. I am wondering if I should drench the soil with a bleach solution as well??
Anyone have experience with this situation? The internet has lots of info but advice from somebody with first-hand experience would be better!
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Jul 17, 2016 2:39 PM CST
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Name: Zuzu
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That's hideous! Thanks for the pictures. I've never seen crown gall in all its glory. Glare

Porkpal, the gophers here love fig trees. A friend of mine who used to own a local nursery said they were accustomed to hearing complaints from customers about fig trees that died shortly after they were planted. It was always gopher damage. The trees would have no roots whatsoever left; just one little tooth-marked stump where the roots used to be. One tree actually was finished off by gophers only an hour after it was planted.

My gophers used to eat nothing but roses and bulbs, any bulbs but daffodils. After I started planting bulbs only in containers and planting the roses in cages, they ate hundreds and hundreds of my irises. They also like my abutilons, lavateras, and the occasional camellia. Needless to say, they love poppies and hollyhocks and other plants with a long taproot. One year I planted corn, grew it to a height of about 5 feet, and then watched as the stalks got shorter and shorter and finally disappeared into the ground.

As I become more selective in my planting habits, they become more desperate and undiscriminating. This year they've eaten all of my gazanias, which never seemed to appeal to them in the past.
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Jul 17, 2016 3:35 PM CST
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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sunnyvalley said:I had to google 'gophers' - we don't have them. Those teeth look like they could do an awful lot of damage! The only thing we have is hedgehogs! Everyone comments on how lucky we are and they would love to have them in the garden but they are making one hell of a mess of my lawn right now!! But roses and iris are not on the menu thank goodness.

Lyn - I hope you can find somebody to take your roses. I too hate trashing plants and always used to ask around when it came time for dividing but people are seldom interested Shrug!


It is a sad day here in 'Sunny Valley' - the sun did shine but the damper was that I trashed a rose!!

Crown gall!! Or that is what it looks like. I have never seen it myself and decided not to take any chances!.
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I can't believe how big it got but most of it was below the surface. I removed the entire plant and put it in the trash and then washed every thing, tools and buckets, with a strong bleach solution. I also removed quite a bit of the soil that was around the rose and am now sitting with great big hole in the middle of my rose bed. I am wondering if I should drench the soil with a bleach solution as well??
Anyone have experience with this situation? The internet has lots of info but advice from somebody with first-hand experience would be better!


Sharlene .......

You really don't want to use bleach. It will kill everything in the soil, including the beneficial bacteria.

Gall is a bacteria in the soil. Some experts say you will never, ever get rid of it. Others say you can use a product called 'Galltrol'. I have never had to deal with it personally.

If you purchased the rose in Europe, that tells you that gall is in the soil in Europe. If the rose had a wound on the roots and the conditions are right, you are going to get gall on the roots of your rose.

You can try a product called Galltrol. You can Google it. I talked with Kim about it and asked about Baldo's opinion about nothing will get rid of gall in the soil and he said, if gall is in the soil in Europe, it's in the soil in Europe. You might as well try the Galltrol product.

Good luck.
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Jul 17, 2016 3:37 PM CST
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Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
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Lyn, don't trash your roses. Post a list of them here. I'm sure you'll have any number of people willing to pay for your time and postage.
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Jul 17, 2016 3:56 PM CST
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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Zuzu ...

I would, if I could guarantee that the plants would arrive in good shape. Sad

The post office has closed the distributions center in Redding, so all of our mail goes to Sacramento to be sorted before it gets shipped to any place else. If I want to ship something to Redding, it takes a week. With triple digit temps the norm right now, I don't know if anyone would get a live plant.

Not only that, since my soil has disappeared, I can't even dig out a rose with a whole root mass. I can keep them alive, but I can't dig them out. Go figure. I don't have a good solution.
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Jul 17, 2016 4:01 PM CST
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Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
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I understand. I remember when poor skiekitty wanted me to send her my ailing roses, the little own-root hybrid teas that still weren't growing well after 8 years in the ground. If they didn't want to grow in California, why would they grow in Colorado? Besides, by then I had wasted so much tender loving care on them that I didn't even want the bother of digging them up, packing them up, and mailing them. Hilarious!
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Jul 17, 2016 4:09 PM CST
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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It's just that I can't get a solid plant to send, then add the postal problem, the recipient would probably end up with a dead plant. I just can't do that to someone.
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
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Jul 17, 2016 5:01 PM CST
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX (Zone 9a)
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Thanks, Zuzu, I had no idea my fig tree was gopher bait. I was so pleased with it this year as it finally was producing a full crop of figs. I guess, if I replace it, I will fashion a gopher cage - with a lid! - to protect the new one. Now I wonder why my gophers don't care for roses... BUT I'm glad they don't - so far.
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Jul 18, 2016 3:51 AM CST
Name: Mika
Oxfordshire, England and Mento
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sunnyvalley said:I had to google 'gophers' - we don't have them. Those teeth look like they could do an awful lot of damage! The only thing we have is hedgehogs! Everyone comments on how lucky we are and they would love to have them in the garden but they are making one hell of a mess of my lawn right now!! But roses and iris are not on the menu thank goodness.



We get hedgehogs, too, Sharlene, also moles, badgers, foxes, occasional deer and rabbits, of course. But hedgehogs are good - they love to eat slugs so are a gardener's friend. They are also on the endangered species list. I don't think they burrow - they have certainly never burrowed here. Are you sure you don't have rabbits, moles or even a racoon (which apparently are spreading through Europe)? Or marmots, which we have seen on the mountains when walking in Switzerland?

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Jul 18, 2016 4:47 AM CST
Name: Sharlene Sutter
St. Gallen - Switzerland (Zone 6a)
Garden Ideas: Level 1
Mika, definitely hedgehogs! And they are also protected over here. We have caught (humanely) and relocated at least a dozen over the years. They don't burrow but they go after the earthworms and leave ugly holes all over the lawn. I think they prefer the earthworms to the slugs even though the slugs are easier to catch!

Lyn, thanks for the advice - much appreciated - I will not drench with bleach! Don't want to kill the 'goodies'!
Had a little time to research this morning. Galltroll is an Agrobacterium radiobacter (Strain K84) and has not been approved by the EU (or Switzerland), pity, so my only option is exchanging the soil because the other solution would be steaming to 80C which is not practical or possible in a private garden. Will dig a bigger hole and buy a couple of bags of soil.
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Jul 18, 2016 5:04 AM CST
Name: Mika
Oxfordshire, England and Mento
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Perhaps our hedgehogs are lazier than yours! Hilarious! Hilarious!
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Jul 18, 2016 6:13 AM CST
Name: Sharlene Sutter
St. Gallen - Switzerland (Zone 6a)
Garden Ideas: Level 1
Maybe our are just gourmets - filet over chuck Rolling on the floor laughing
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Jul 18, 2016 6:49 AM CST
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX (Zone 9a)
Cat Lover Charter ATP Member Keeper of Poultry I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Dog Lover Keeps Horses
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No escargot? Already peeled, too.
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Jul 18, 2016 7:15 AM CST
Name: Sharlene Sutter
St. Gallen - Switzerland (Zone 6a)
Garden Ideas: Level 1
Hilarious! these are Swiss-German hedgehogs - maybe the ones in the French part prefer escargot Rolling on the floor laughing
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