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Sep 11, 2016 4:17 AM CST
Name: Val
Near Boston, MA (Zone 6a)
I have been MIA, travelling home from vacation yesterday, and my son came to visit for
the weekend, so not on the computer. I would prefer a later start date for the swap as well, BUT that said, I think it was kind of neat to have a Sept. swap and "get things going". Maybe a 1 or 2 day swap in Sept?

I would be interested in a fast 1-2 days swap.....but for the reg. swap, I think 5-7 days is needed if you really want to big/get/offer a bunch of seeds. The 1-2 day swap would be nice to get the juices flowing. That said, I'm not sure how that would work with dibs...How would you set up how many tickets someone gets if it's a 2 day, for instance? I think the amount of listings should have some bearing on the amoutn of tickets, as does the sales thing. If someone is just beginning and only listing 3 packs of seeds, I understand they are a newbie and need help with seeds...but someone who lists over 100 different varieties of seeds should get some "compensation" in the form of a few extra tickets. Maybe the fraction keeps the lists honest because the listed seeds are obviously those others want to bid on. Just thinking outloud.

I think the swap is set up great, It was easy to list seeds, it was easy to bid, view seeds up for taking, etc.
I enjoyed it immensely, and got alot of goodies, and am looking forward to the next!

THANKS DnD for hosting!!!!
Val
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Sep 11, 2016 5:30 AM CST
Name: Daniel Erdy
Catawba SC (Zone 7b)
Pollen collector Fruit Growers Permaculture Hybridizer Plant and/or Seed Trader Organic Gardener
Daylilies Region: South Carolina Garden Ideas: Level 2 Garden Photography Herbs Region: United States of America
DND would you like to hold another one this November, or Jan? If so I'll join but I agree December is too crazy of a month with the holidays and all.
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Sep 11, 2016 6:58 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
Daylilies Dog Lover Houseplants Organic Gardener I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Garden Ideas: Level 2
If there is enough interest and enough of a new influx of seeds, I would be happy to try a November one this year. If we time it right, I can send the seeds out AFTER Thanksgiving, which would make things a lot easier for me. If I can do the sorting early December...

As for how the single-day swap would work, everyone would be awarded all of their tickets all at once. I would probably do it on a Saturday so it avoids traditional work days and purple can stay up late for it because I have no control over the time that tickets are awarded. (I can only alter the dates and the ticket multiplier.)


There was mention of having more swaps to accommodate gardeners in different areas at different times, but I'm trying to avoid the necessity of that because the more swaps people are split into, the fewer there are in each swap and the fewer the seed options. My goal is to increase the participation of the swap so that there is a huge variety of seeds for people to try, new things people have never had... And more excitement trying to get the seeds.
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Sep 11, 2016 7:06 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
Daylilies Dog Lover Houseplants Organic Gardener I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Garden Ideas: Level 2
I'm still mulling over the different options. I may do another full-length swap or I may do a single-day. I'm even considering combining the two ideas and doing a two-day, but I'm not sure if that would be a nice blend of the two or simply confusing to new members. I'm also debating if November truly is a good time, and I doubt many people do their planting in December... So is January better? Or is it better for everyone to simply have their seeds in November so they know what they have to work with the following season, even if they aren't likely to plant just yet?...
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Sep 11, 2016 7:43 AM CST
Name: Elena
NYC (Zone 7a)
Bee Lover Vegetable Grower Plant and/or Seed Trader Spiders! Seed Starter Garden Procrastinator
Peonies Organic Gardener Orchids Irises Hybridizer Composter
So far I haven't gotten a single seed catalog so I haven't ordered any seeds for 2017. I like swapping before I spend money on new seeds. It's just better for my budget.

I wish we'd started this thread earlier because if I'd known you were seriously considering another swap I wouldn't have donated pretty much all my extra seeds to the NARR. While I'd love to participate I doubt if I'd have anything to much to offer. I'm not planning on purchasing any seeds until December this year.
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Sep 11, 2016 8:46 AM CST
Name: Daniel Erdy
Catawba SC (Zone 7b)
Pollen collector Fruit Growers Permaculture Hybridizer Plant and/or Seed Trader Organic Gardener
Daylilies Region: South Carolina Garden Ideas: Level 2 Garden Photography Herbs Region: United States of America
Elena I can send you some seeds to add to the swap if it happens. I'm not a fan of a 24 hr swap because like many members I think our jobs may interfere. I hope we all agree on a good time to do the swap and it actually happens. Big Grin
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Sep 11, 2016 10:50 AM CST
Name: Mary
Lake Stevens, WA (Zone 8a)
Near Seattle
Bookworm Garden Photography Region: Pacific Northwest Plays in the sandbox Seed Starter Plant and/or Seed Trader
Winter Sowing
I was OK with the timing of the Dec-Jan swap, but would prefer Oct-Nov. I think most people are done with the heavy garden workload by mid-October? A week of bidding seems plenty, and a week to get the seeds mailed seems enough. A two day does not seem enough, I was bidding on thing for days, although not for the last day or two. Although I guess for many people leaf-raking starts in October (I live in conifer-land, no leaf raking for me!). I found getting seeds in January made me late for seed ordering.
The January swap did seem a bit late. I am finding that with this mild climate, I really should do winter sowing in December! Spring often starts here in January, so seeds may not get chilled enough, and if I am delayed I miss my window of opportunity.
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Sep 11, 2016 1:06 PM CST
Name: Elena
NYC (Zone 7a)
Bee Lover Vegetable Grower Plant and/or Seed Trader Spiders! Seed Starter Garden Procrastinator
Peonies Organic Gardener Orchids Irises Hybridizer Composter
Thanks Daniel for the offer. I'll have a few seeds (definitely daylilies for sure) but probably not much else. But it seems silly for you to send me seeds to offer when you could just offer them yourself.

This year just wasn't that good for me gardening-wise. Except for my rampaging petunia I haven't collected a lot of seeds.

I'd most likely participate but just wouldn't be able to offer the variety of seeds I typically do.

And like Mary said, I need to wintersow seeds in December. I tried February my first year and while we had a few frost/freezes not much came up. When I did December I had much better results!
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Sep 11, 2016 3:24 PM CST
Name: Daniel Erdy
Catawba SC (Zone 7b)
Pollen collector Fruit Growers Permaculture Hybridizer Plant and/or Seed Trader Organic Gardener
Daylilies Region: South Carolina Garden Ideas: Level 2 Garden Photography Herbs Region: United States of America
Elena I don't mind sharing with you, you've helped me out a ton and I'll have plenty of other seeds I can list.
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Sep 11, 2016 6:17 PM CST
California (Zone 9b)
Region: California Cat Lover Herbs Seed Starter Plant and/or Seed Trader Vegetable Grower
DnD -- Any time works good for me. I actually liked the timing for this, because I participate in a lot of swaps from Oct-Jan, which makes things get really hectic (plus all the holidays).

And yes, I would love for there to be more swaps. I'd be thrilled to participate in a one day frenzy or multiple longer swaps, like this one.
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Sep 12, 2016 7:35 AM CST
Name: Jessie Worsham
Stockbridge, GA (Zone 8a)
Northwest Georgia Daylily Society
Cat Lover Daylilies Echinacea Region: Georgia Heucheras Hostas
Hybridizer Irises
As a first time "swapper", I liked the length of time at 7 days. Between work, and the garden, family events, etc., I felt like that length of time was ideal. If I was busy one day, I can always look tomorrow. As for the month of September, here in Georgia we are still harvesting from the veggie garden, digging and dividing daylilies, and starting general clean-up. I think I would be able to offer more seeds if done in October next time. I would most likely not be able to participate in a Nov./Dec. swap (holidays with 2 sets of family plus another 2 sets of step-family...). I start seeds in Jan./Feb. typically, so a Feb./March swap might be a little late. I had a great time, and I plan on collecting a lot more seeds for the next swap, whenever it turns out to be.

Some other feedback:
Thank you for the FAQ page, that is PRICELESS.
The fractional tickets did seem weird, but now that I have experienced the actual swap, it all makes sense.
The button to view list without items of qty 0 was great.
If I am writing a check for the $7, who do I make it out to? Or what is the PayPal address?

This is a great group. I hope to participate every year!
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Sep 12, 2016 8:08 AM CST
Name: Kathy
Arkansas (Zone 8b)
"Pets should not be a whim"
Region: Arkansas Bromeliad Dog Lover Region: Louisiana Enjoys or suffers hot summers Plant and/or Seed Trader
Vegetable Grower Garden Ideas: Level 2
I like a bigger swap instead of dividing into groups like northern & southern. I don't think I would like a one day swap because of work scedule or family obligations (not to mention the time difference). The timing of this swap was fine with me but then I never remember to save seed from anything. All my seeds are extra from trades or from what I've bought (hoping to change that this coming year). I think a swap in Sept, October, or the first 2 weeks of November are good times. Starting the second or third week of November & going to the first week of January, people are busy with holiday parties, cooking, & company, or they're traveling to one place or another. So I think these times just wouldn't be good..
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Sep 12, 2016 4:21 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
Daylilies Dog Lover Houseplants Organic Gardener I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Garden Ideas: Level 2
bxncbx said:So far I haven't gotten a single seed catalog so I haven't ordered any seeds for 2017. I like swapping before I spend money on new seeds. It's just better for my budget.

I wish we'd started this thread earlier because if I'd known you were seriously considering another swap I wouldn't have donated pretty much all my extra seeds to the NARR. While I'd love to participate I doubt if I'd have anything to much to offer. I'm not planning on purchasing any seeds until December this year.



I can definitely appreciate this sentiment, and I haven't decided just yet whether or not to do a second swap. If we do, I wouldn't think any less of you if you asked me to send your NARR donation seeds back to you in part or in whole so that you could have them for the next swap. Smiling
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Sep 12, 2016 4:35 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
Daylilies Dog Lover Houseplants Organic Gardener I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Garden Ideas: Level 2
I plan to come to a decision by Wednesday evening about whether or not there will be another swap between now and January; and, if so, when it will be and how long (full or single-day). I will keep everyone posted. If I decide to try for a second swap, I will do a preliminary sign-up sheet to verify that we have enough participants before setting it up. I would hate to get everyone excited for it, only to have five people show up who have already all traded seeds with each other this past go-around.

Those of you interested in having a swap in the next few months....please gather your friends who are also interested and let me know...this mostly depends on interest level. If we can get atleast 15--and certainly if we can get 20 or more--people to commit to the swap, I will most definitely agree to host another in the next few months.
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Sep 12, 2016 5:57 PM CST
Name: Elena
NYC (Zone 7a)
Bee Lover Vegetable Grower Plant and/or Seed Trader Spiders! Seed Starter Garden Procrastinator
Peonies Organic Gardener Orchids Irises Hybridizer Composter
DND, of course I won't ask for the seeds back. That would be awful! Besides, I do have a new seed catalog that I expect I'll be ordering from soon.

If you choose to hold another swap I'll have seeds to swap!
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Sep 12, 2016 6:23 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
1. This time worked as well for me as any one time could.

2. Length of trading doesn't matter, unless you can make it SO long that there are weeks during which people could wish, I could hunt my stash for days or weeks, and then more wishes could go 'round. I think there "should" be at least 2-3 days AFTER the number of tickets given out has exceeded my appetites. I'm not sure why, but then I feel comfortable that I've searched the entire swap list, with updates, "enough".

I need weeks to months to prepare: buy seeds, split them count packets, hunt the stash, and type data into Dave's tool.

For packing, one week is just barely enough. The panic-fear of being late drives me to get it done ASAP.

3. I would really enjoy a crazy one-day swap where new tickets come out every (??) 5-15 minutes. But there, too, we need time BEFORE the swap to get all our stars on the right entries.

(Maybe that "fast swap" needs some last-minute feature where, if you are NOT going to be in front of the computer on the Swap Day, or the Swap Hour, you can still drop out and the other members can adjust their Wishing Stars.

A "fast swap" would have to issue new "tickets" every 5-10 minutes. And maybe the "increase" should not be 3-6-12-24-48, or whatever. ("times 2 each time" goes up too fast after 3-4 times)
Maybe 3-6-9-12-15-18- etc (+ 3 each time)

My idea for that was that you wouldn't even have to get up from the keyboard during the swap. It could all be over in 30-60 minutes. You might even make the "new tickets" almost continuous, like "+2 tickets every 1 minutes"


Aww, that won't work! The "all-at-once" rule will sure make it a FASTER fast swap! Done that way, we really WOULDN'T need to get up from our keyboards!

This one-day-swap with all-tickets-given at-once approaches the "instantaneous swap" idea, where all that matters is the start time, and how many stars you put on each item. The software would automatically resolve every five-star dib first, with some random element to resolve ties. Then the software would resolve every four-star-dib. etc. It could probably conduct the entire swap in half a second, taking too much fun out of it!



DogsNDaylilies said: ... For those of you suggesting winter as best for the swap (and concerned about time to prepare for it), I welcome suggestions. When I hosted the swap in January, a lot of people were just coming off of the holidays and cited being busy from the holidays and not fully organized and prepared for the swap in January. Others have said that February is too late, particularly for southern gardeners. It doesn't sound like we'll please everyone, but the more input I receive, the better able I am to please as many as possible. ...


>> It doesn't sound like we'll please everyone,

That's what I agree with most. Everyone is different, and one-size-fits-one, not one-size-fits-all.

For me at the moment, "December is 100% booked already, then I'm recovering for some weeks or months".
It's also a popular time to be depressed!

But I bet that, once I've retired and gone crazy with seed-saving schemes, that fall gardening and seed-saving will keep me very busy around this time of year and December won't be so bad.

Also, for me right now, "swaps should not start until after year-end-seed-sales". But that would push them into the year-end Holiday season, which I would hate. And, this way, I "have to" hunt through seed catalogs before the year-end sales are well underway. And that gives me an excuse to hit the online sales (again) when they come along! And that will "make me" look for another swap to share the year-end-seeds with.

Even when it's only one person, and I am that person, I can't pick a time that would work best for me!
So don't pick times based on me! This time has worked the best of any so far.

I'll join as many swaps as I can. In my ideal world, there would be an August/Sept swap, AND an Oct/Early Dec swap, AND a Jan/Feb swap. But then, each swap would probably have fewer people, since for some reason that puzzles me, not everyone wants to spend a lot of their free time in seed swaps. Confused

After retiring, I'll do my part and host some swaps in-between other swaps. But there might be some excessive number of swaps, that would exceed the enthusiasm of the number of people who like to swap seeds. (Until NGA starts attracting hundreds of people who wish they could find a good local seed library.)


BTW, my main concern with "timing" is only one thing: getting my seeds packaged and mailed before the due date. Because things can come up, especially at work and especially in December, (and I used to lose seeds that I had "set aside" for a swap {*} ), I think of one week as "barely enough to be sure I won't embarrass myself again". But I think I'm the only one that finds the packing phase stressful, so don't change times for me.

I split store-bought seeds soon after receiving them.
I dry my own seeds as long as I possibly can, then split at least some into trade-size packs long in advance of any swap.
But most seeds that I CAN split are summer or early fall seeds. After The Fall Rains start, there is no seed saving. Until I build tall hoop-rain-guards. After I retire!

Don't base timing on me!


{*}
This year, again, I misplaced the entire "swap box" and was confused to find so many seed packets smaller and older than my notes said.

DUH! D'Oh!

Yes they WERE smaller and older. When almost finished and searching hard for ONE specific Bok Choy, I finally found the "swap box". It was behind my living room chair, in the most prominent spot possible short of making me climb over it every time I went from room to room. But what idiot would store seeds in the middle of the living room? Not even I thoguht to look there.

Every single time I set some seeds aside "so I can't possibly lose them", the very FIRST thing I do is lose them!
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Sep 12, 2016 7:52 PM CST
Highlands Ranch, Colorado (Zone 5b)
Colorado Zone 5
Container Gardener Herbs Plant and/or Seed Trader Vegetable Grower Enjoys or suffers cold winters
This is going on my second year of seed swaps and second year saving seed. I'm in a colder climate so my tomatoes, peppers, and tomatillos will be moved in the garage for night time until I can get some seeds off of them. I've been fine with both times of the swaps. I do find it best later for good deals on seeds. For seed saving it would be better for later. Maybe early October. I would participate no mater what the date was, just a different variety of seeds offered each time.
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Sep 12, 2016 8:17 PM CST
Southeast OK (Zone 7b)
Dnd, if you do it, I'll be in. I'll have some more things in by then and can offer both what I did here for the new people and new items for those I swapped with here already. I'm also on the prowl for seed sales and have no problem getting a thing or two for the swaps. Smiling
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Sep 13, 2016 4:23 AM CST
Name: Val
Near Boston, MA (Zone 6a)
DnD, I'm in also for whatever swap you decide to run/Whenever. I enjoy the swapping and the opportunity to get new seeds ...and share some of mine. I also will have/do have (placed a couple orders) new seeds to share by whatever time you decide to offer the swap. I agree that everyone has their own ideas of time frame and it's VERY hard to please everyone. I also dont think alot of people realize the work involved on your end, so that is not a consideration for them. You need to do the swap at a time that is good for YOU.

I totally agree with your point that 15-20+ people in a swap is really a minimum to strive for. The more people, the more offerings, the more fun ...and more seeds you can go home with :D

Some of my 2cents :D

Thanks again for a great swap. I sent my seeds off yesterday priority mail. You should have them Wed.
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Sep 13, 2016 5:40 AM CST
Name: Ronnie (Veronica)
Southeastern PA (Zone 6b)
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