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Oct 28, 2016 12:04 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
Wow, we have over 100 tomatoes offered? Cool!
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Oct 28, 2016 12:25 PM CST
Name: Jim D
East Central Indiana (Zone 5b)
Annuals Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge) Garden Procrastinator Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Native Plants and Wildflowers Region: Indiana
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Rick I have a few chosen to grow and still collecting from this years plants
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In the Butterfly garden if a plant is not chewed up I feel like a failure
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Oct 28, 2016 12:26 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
Daylilies Dog Lover Houseplants Organic Gardener I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Garden Ideas: Level 2
Jim, I don't even like tomatoes and that picture is making me want to take a bite!!! Drooling Look how perfect those are! What cultivar is that?
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Oct 28, 2016 1:01 PM CST
Name: Jim D
East Central Indiana (Zone 5b)
Annuals Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge) Garden Procrastinator Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Native Plants and Wildflowers Region: Indiana
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Libby it is a Hybrid Matt's cherry It still has several Hanging on out in the Garden , or better said growing space
If anyone would like a storage baggie of Red Sorghum seeds , lmk and I will take an air pillow postage baggie and cut it and tape it closed full of the seeds otherwise it will be bird food Smiling
In the Butterfly garden if a plant is not chewed up I feel like a failure
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Oct 28, 2016 1:38 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
Daylilies Dog Lover Houseplants Organic Gardener I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Garden Ideas: Level 2
Ahh, I see now! It didn't look like a cherry from the photo, it looks so BIG! Unfortunately, I'm not 'in the market' for cherry tomatoes at the moment, but I know someone in this swap is going enjoy those! They really do look delicious.
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Oct 28, 2016 1:49 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
Daylilies Dog Lover Houseplants Organic Gardener I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Garden Ideas: Level 2
I finally made it through a whole bunch of seed crosses I received from someone else and I'm discovering that person, I think, has different hybridizing goals (color interests) than me. Rolling my eyes. About 80% of the seeds I received are pink mixes (the vast majority) or yellow mixes (a few), so I have a LOT to give away. I kept the few seeds that seemed to align more with my deeper-color hybridizing goals.

I should also be adding a bunch of my own mixes of varying colors either tonight or this weekend, so if you love daylilies, don't forget to check back.

I'm currently weighing heavily how much of my planting-for-2017 seeds I can part with. I'd like to be able to offer more vegetable varieties for the swap, so I supported a fellow NARR donor (Victory Seeds) and purchased a few seed types that I'm looking forward to being able to offer in addition to all of the daylily seeds I have.
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Oct 28, 2016 2:04 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
Daylilies Dog Lover Houseplants Organic Gardener I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Garden Ideas: Level 2
...I should add that I have no idea when those seeds will arrive. I'm hoping to get lucky and have them arrive Monday...or even a Tuesday delivery should allow me to get some of them in prior to trading time, assuming the mailman doesn't revert back to his schedule he had a few weeks ago (dinnertime delivery). Big Grin
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Oct 28, 2016 2:46 PM CST
Name: Jim D
East Central Indiana (Zone 5b)
Annuals Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge) Garden Procrastinator Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Native Plants and Wildflowers Region: Indiana
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My seed logs (storage) are way below usual But I will return with more , I have a 5 gallon bucket I am cleaning Tithonia into , Most of what I have is common .
Previous years below 60 to 80 offers I would wonder , This year as of last seasons die offs , A year or two I will be back up there ,

A couple Beard'sTongue and I seem to be done ,
As it goes along .
Love all the Daylily , Smiling
Bucket of deadheaded seeds and a Back saving port a table
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Oct 28, 2016 3:01 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
I mentioned our 100 varieties of Tomatoes in the two main "tomato" threads in the Veg&Fruit Forum, urging people to join the swap and add seeds as they go along.

Jim, the gleaming highlights and glowing color on those Matt's Cherries made me want to take a bite out of my computer monitor. Munch!! Slobber!

Do you do photo work on the side for Baker Creek's color catalog?
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Oct 28, 2016 3:09 PM CST
Name: Jim D
East Central Indiana (Zone 5b)
Annuals Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge) Garden Procrastinator Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Native Plants and Wildflowers Region: Indiana
Hummingbirder Frogs and Toads Dragonflies Cottage Gardener Butterflies Birds
Rick I appreciate the Compliment , only I am not currently doing photo's for anyone ,i have given permission to a few to use my photo's and have given some to a few others ,

I too love a good Tomato , I wish I had seeds to add , but mine a heirlooms and OP , Those are Hybrid I don't know what would grow

Here are couple recent some really enjoyed
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In the Butterfly garden if a plant is not chewed up I feel like a failure
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Oct 28, 2016 3:13 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
Gorgeous!
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Oct 28, 2016 3:34 PM CST
Name: Jim D
East Central Indiana (Zone 5b)
Annuals Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge) Garden Procrastinator Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Native Plants and Wildflowers Region: Indiana
Hummingbirder Frogs and Toads Dragonflies Cottage Gardener Butterflies Birds
One of my photo's on a Christmas Greeting card , The Spruce on the All Things of their season Winter's Solemn and silent Remembrance returns to spring and renewal Says something like that , I don't have a copy handy
Only one of a few photo's of mine that made it there (and was through someone else who wanted permissions to print )
Thank You! Thank You! Thank You! and : I have as many fuzzed and botched if not more Blinking Smiling

Bok Coy and Chinese Cabbage (had to get something on here about seeds from here
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Oct 28, 2016 3:58 PM CST
Name: Leslie
Chapin, SC (Zone 8a)
Keeps Sheep Daylilies Hybridizer Garden Photography Cat Lover Hummingbirder
Birds Region: South Carolina Plant and/or Seed Trader Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Ideas: Level 2 Avid Green Pages Reviewer
I have a question for all of you "seasoned" seed growers. Do you use grow lights or regular shop lights if you start your seeds with that method? I haven't used my lights in several years and my daylily seeds did fine with shop lights but now that I'm going to be doing so many more from seed (Thank You very much for starting another obsession Crying ) I'm wondering if I need grow lights?
Leslie

As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. Joshua 24:15
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Oct 28, 2016 4:05 PM CST
Name: Ronnie (Veronica)
Southeastern PA (Zone 6b)
Count your blessings, be grateful
Region: Ukraine Organic Gardener Keeps Goats Zinnias Dog Lover Morning Glories
Annuals Bee Lover Dragonflies Butterflies Hummingbirder Birds
@jimard8 jIM, I would try the Red Sorghum seeds Smiling
Kindness is the language which the deaf can hear and the blind can see.
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Oct 28, 2016 4:20 PM CST
Name: Lisa
Boston, MA. (Zone 6a)
Birds Dog Lover Foliage Fan Hummingbirder Seed Starter Winter Sowing
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I winter sow Daylily seeds. It works great here in Massachusets.
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Oct 28, 2016 4:42 PM CST
Name: Elena
NYC (Zone 7a)
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I wintersow and use grow lights. I've never used shop lights. Both methods work well for me.
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Oct 28, 2016 5:35 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
I always used 48" shop lights in the past, one "warm" bulb and one "cool" bulb.

But since moving, I haven't drilled any holes int he ceiling, so I've been using mucch less satisfactory screw-in CFL bulbs (some spotlight bulbs and some normal bulbs in a hooded reflector) on a "pole lamp").

If you can possibly hang them from something, even some rigged-up PVC skeleton, those 48" shop lights are the best value in dollars per lumen. (T8s or maybe T5s for more intensity and a few more dollars).

I think the LED fixtures are still either too expensive, or too short-lived if from China, but some people speak in LED's favor.

(Stressing the "I" in this paragraph): I think that grow lights are just expensively packaged CFL bulbs with broad-spectrum phosphors plus a weird color. If you believe it makes a difference, shop for a box of "white" bulbs with broad-spectrum phosphors to get more lumens AND pay less AND not have the weird blue-purple color.

If grow bulbs ever do make any difference (either the weird color or the spread-spectrum), I think it would only be for some unusual species, and possibly only during flowering. For seedlings, NO difference. For common plants, I think very little or no difference.

I could be wrong, especially for flowering unusual species that I have never grown. But everyone I recall with a basement full of seedlings uses shop lights with normal tubes, either random white tubes, one warm white and one cool white, or both cool whites.

I think the choice among T8, T5 and T5HO is just "How much can you spend?" and "do you need or want UNUSUALLY strong intensity?" The brighter tubes are more expensive and less efficient and usually don't last as long.

T8s are already brighter than old T12s, so the cheapest, most efficient, LEAST bright modern option is already better than anything sold a few decades ago.

Unless the T5 price keeps dropping, T8s are what I plan to buy if I ever drill hole in my ceiling. (I mean, "clear out that corner of my bedroom again and then hire someone able to climb ladders".)

What's the tradeoff for seedlings, considering the choice between brighter $$ tubes and cheaper, more efficient tubes? With brighter lights, you don't need to keep the tubes AS close to the growing seedlings, hence you can adjust heights less often. They will stay stocky and strong instead of leggy and weak, even if the lights stay high enough for you to work easily with the plants without moving light fixtures out of your way.

And maybe with brighter tubes, you could place your 1020 trays perpendicular to the shop lights instead of parallel, getting twice as many trays on each shelf (like four instead of two trays). But I think that's a stretch unless you're talking T5HO. I don't know that; I'm just guessing. I hope someone with more experience scoffs at that idea or says that they've done it.
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Oct 28, 2016 5:46 PM CST
Name: Leslie
Chapin, SC (Zone 8a)
Keeps Sheep Daylilies Hybridizer Garden Photography Cat Lover Hummingbirder
Birds Region: South Carolina Plant and/or Seed Trader Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Ideas: Level 2 Avid Green Pages Reviewer
Thank y'all for the info!

I have my shop lights suspended on chains so I can keep them close to the seedlings but will check what bulbs I have as far as brightness. I'm glad I don't have to buy grow lights!

I think of myself as frugal. DH just calls me cheap. Glare
Leslie

As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. Joshua 24:15
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Oct 28, 2016 5:55 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
I read one thing about lights that I think is smarter than all the rest combined.

A CLEAN fixture is MUCH more efficient and brighter than a dusty or dirty fixture. Same goes for reflectors. Clean the tubes AND reflectors with Windex or alcohol when the bulbs are off and COOL.

No matter how many photons you beam into a layer of dust, that dust NEVER germinates.
A little wiping every few months may do you almost as much good as buying new bulbs.

Even so, it's probably worthwhile replacing bulbs every 2-10 years, depending on how many hours you run them per day, how many months per year, and how much "longevity" you paid for when you bought your last set of bulbs. The money spent on bulbs is saved on electricity, and the seedlings appreciate the extra brightness. Waiting until you see black spots on the tubes, or the brightness is SO much less that even human eyes can tell the difference, is probably waiting too long for maximum efficiency.
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Oct 28, 2016 6:25 PM CST
Name: Jim D
East Central Indiana (Zone 5b)
Annuals Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge) Garden Procrastinator Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Native Plants and Wildflowers Region: Indiana
Hummingbirder Frogs and Toads Dragonflies Cottage Gardener Butterflies Birds
luvsgrtdanes Ronnie .. I will fix up a big baggie the 2 x 3 is listed , I will add a couple in the next few days

I wintersow daylily here also .
similar to this
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These are covered seedlings of Aster, ErigeronThey won't get cold until Jan -Feb
I covered them last nights 36
In the Butterfly garden if a plant is not chewed up I feel like a failure
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