Sedum forum: Hardy Upright Sedum ID for the database....

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chelle
Oct 25, 2011 5:50 AM CST
Hi, All.

I bought this plant as a plug this Spring. It's supposed to be 'Neon' but the leaves look more serrate than the images already in the DB. Can anyone verify? (Images taken Oct. 5.)

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tabby
Oct 25, 2011 8:57 AM CST
The color isn't right for neon either. Neon is a magenta color - very purple pink, and its foliage is a lighter green than others such as Autumn Joy. it also tends to be shorter than Autumn Joy.
The color kind of reminds me when my Autumn Joy is at its peak, or maybe Autumn Fire. Do you have any pictures of the entire plant? Does it flop, or is it very upright? How tall is it? A closeup of the leaf?
Also, my Munstead Dark Red Sontecrop has serrated leaves and flowers like that.

Even if it's way past it's bloom peak, another picture would be nice to see the plant habit.
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chelle
Oct 25, 2011 9:06 AM CST
Hmmm, I think the gal that ran this co-op also offered the Munstead. They may have been mixed up during packing; or, I may have had to change my order and don't see the record of it right at the moment.

The bloom color right now is a fairly dark red, but it's not the darkest red sedum in my gardens. The blooms opened bright pink. I have a lovely photo of it when it first opened.....something is wrong with it and I keep getting an error message when I try to use it. Sad

I'll get a "now" shot of it and post it....probably later on today.

Thanks, Tabby!
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chelle
Oct 25, 2011 10:29 AM CST
Today.


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This plant is similar to one that's been here awhile, except the leaf serration is sharper pointed, the leaf end is more pointed, and the flower is more red. The one I'm comparing it to is a deeper reddish-brown. Plus, (this plant is much younger), but it's between 12 and 14" tall right now.
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valleylynn
Oct 25, 2011 12:41 PM CST

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I agree with tabby. I don't think it's Neon or Autumn Joy. I don't have Munstead so not sure about it. Here it shows it as having very serrated edges.
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Name: Michele Roth
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chelle
Oct 25, 2011 3:56 PM CST
That sure looks like it to me, does it to you? I'm assuming that since it didn't get planted out 'til just a few weeks ago that it'll be bigger next year(??)

[Lynn, those tiny cuttings that I took last year of my first sedum are huge; and so pretty with the asters! Big Grin Hurray! I just have to say, thanks again for your help and suggestions! I tip my hat to you. ]


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valleylynn
Oct 25, 2011 4:19 PM CST

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Chelle the ones I got from the Sedum co-op are all still small. Next year they will take off and reach their full glory if given the room to grow. I don't fertilize as it seems to make them more prone to flopping over.
I love the combination of the sedum and asters. For me it was an accident so to speak. : )
I didn't have anyplace to put the S. 'Autumn Joy' or the asters some one gave me, so I sunk them both into a pile of forest product compost. The next year they when they both started coming up I still didn't know where I wanted to put them, so I left them right where they were. What a wonderful surprise the combination was. Thumbs up

Can you go back to the co-op thread and check to see which sedum you ended up with?
Name: Michele Roth
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chelle
Oct 25, 2011 6:21 PM CST
I would, but I don't think much was updated there. Most of the info was hosted o another site....one I never could figure out how to navigate. *Blush* I'm not sure if I got any kind of invoice either, but I'll look. If memory serves, the names of the plants were on the piece of paper the individual pots were wrapped in....and of course those are long gone. I ordered such a varied selection that I thought it would be easy to figure out who was who when the time came along that it became important.. Oops.

I did plant a few of my new sedum babies out with some compost.....they're flopped over, but I think they'll live. The tops of some are pretty raggedy looking, but there's new rosette growth underneath. Smiling

I'll get the list of what I think I received and post them here, if you think it will help?
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valleylynn
Oct 25, 2011 6:26 PM CST

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All of mine are showing new growth at soil level. They will go dormant and take off growing next spring. Won't that be wonderful. : )
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tabby
Oct 25, 2011 6:38 PM CST
Was this from the Mountain Crest Co-Op sale? I just went and looked at the old spreadsheet and the only tall sedum I saw was Neon. I went to Mountain Crest and saw they also carry Autumn Joy and that seems about it for their tall sedums as far as I can tell.
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chelle
Oct 25, 2011 6:41 PM CST
Hurray! Yes, it is!

Okay, here's what I ordered -
Xenox
Purple Emperor
Neon
Spurium Tricolor
Matrona
Frosty Morn

From another co-op -
Carl
Red Cauli


...And the last batch from another co-op
Sarmentosum
Spurium Ruby Mantle

That's it for new sedums this year. Smiling
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chelle
Oct 25, 2011 6:49 PM CST
...and no. There's no record showing of the first sale anymore. All the relevant threads are gone.

The second came from Walter's, and the third came from Mountaincrest.
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tabby
Oct 25, 2011 7:06 PM CST
A lot of those are in the database and I grow a bunch of trhem.
Red Cauli has red stems. Xenox has dark foliage and light colored blooms. Purple Emperor has dark purple foliage. Frosty Morn has bicolor foliage and light colored blooms. Spurium Tricolor is too small. Matrona has light colored blooms. Neon has neon pink blooms.

But Carl, now that is definitely a possibility!
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valleylynn
Oct 25, 2011 7:28 PM CST

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Here is what Carl looks like. It also has red stems. http://www.perennialnursery.com/sedum-carl.html
Both tabby and I agree it's definitely not Neon. http://www.perennialnursery.com/sedum-neon.html
The others with dark foliage is definitely out.

This is what my Neon looked like when it was coming up out of the ground, then later with a bloom. This is a one year old plant.
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Tabby the only sedum I got this year was from was it Woodthrush co-op? I think you got some of those didn't you Chelle? http://cubits.org/TartWarmersandMore/thread/view/62993/
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chelle
Oct 26, 2011 3:49 AM CST
Yes, Lynn, that's the first co-op group listed.

Here's the stem. It might be showing just a hint of red(?)

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chelle
Oct 26, 2011 4:01 AM CST
I had thought this other floppy one was Carl, however......


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tabby
Oct 26, 2011 8:52 AM CST
I picked up a Carl this year in October (for a $1). It wasn't floppy. I don't remember it being particularly red, but we'll see what it does in the garden next year. It's under 8 inches of snow at the moment.

If those stems are arching, then that would be Red Cauli. Keep in mind that my sedums don't flop much because they get very very little water. Here's Red Cauli:




Neon:

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springcolor
Oct 26, 2011 9:21 AM CST
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Those are some beauties!! I'm going to look for Carl and Red Cauli in the spring.
Snow! We had are first cold night almost freezing.
I'm going to try less water next year and see if I can stop the flopping. You guys are so full of information. I tip my hat to you.
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Name: Michele Roth
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chelle
Oct 26, 2011 9:45 AM CST
Thanks, Tabby. Smiling

We've had nothing but rain lately, so most of my sedums are floppy right now .

Strange thing is though, we haven't really experienced a true killing frost yet. Morning glories and melampodium are done, but there's quite a bit still blooming.

Oh, yuk! Snow. It's pretty, but I detest slipping and sliding around in it; whether I'm on foot or in a vehicle!
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valleylynn
Oct 26, 2011 10:19 AM CST

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Full sun is best for the larger upright sedum, and not to much water. Tabby is right, to much water and not enough sun will cause them to grow weaker stems and they will flop instead of standing upright.

Tabby that's a wonderful photo of your Neon. Once you see one you don't forget it. : ) I call it's flowers shocking pink.

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