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Feb 11, 2014 7:47 AM CST
Name: Lorn (Roosterlorn)
S.E Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
Bee Lover Lilies Pollen collector Seed Starter Region: Wisconsin
4susiesjoy said: This lily fasciated about 5 years ago. I separated the bulbs that fall and this year both of the bulbs that I planted fasciated. I wonder what the odds of that are?Thumb of 2012-10-09/4susiesjoy/3a0827


I'd like to bring this post by Susie back up for further discussion and follow-up. Was the fact that both divisions fasciated in 2012 due to genetics or environmental? (given the knowledge that the mother bulb fasciated in 2007). I have Tree Mailed Susie for an update on how it bloomed in 2013. I think this would be an interesting plant to follow. Smiling
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Feb 11, 2014 8:51 AM CST
Name: Joe
Long Island, NY (Zone 7a)
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These were some early shots of a fasciated 'big bang' that I had last spring.
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Feb 11, 2014 9:02 AM CST
Name: Jo Ann Gentle
Pittsford NY (Zone 6a)
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I had a Fata Morgana faciate

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It returned the following year without any.
There were 5 bulbs in this patch. Only the one stem was affected.
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Feb 11, 2014 4:40 PM CST
Name: Susie
Leonard, Minnesota (Zone 3b)
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The first year after I moved and separated that Orientpet , It didn't fasciate.
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But I think this summer was the 3rd summer after the move and it did fasciate but not nearly as much as the last time.
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I didn't get a closer picture of the stem. Sorry. I'm going to leave it where it is for at least this summer and see what happens! Smiling
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Feb 11, 2014 5:05 PM CST
Name: Lorn (Roosterlorn)
S.E Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
Bee Lover Lilies Pollen collector Seed Starter Region: Wisconsin
Fantastic! My hunch is either one or the other or maybe both will fasciate during the next two years! Aside from its vigorous nature, it also is a beautiful color and a nice looking plant, overall. How about offsets and/or divisions, is it multiplying also?

Thanks for posting, Susie.
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Feb 11, 2014 5:42 PM CST
Name: Susie
Leonard, Minnesota (Zone 3b)
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Lorn, It is multiplying as quickly as any of the other Orienpets. That is why I moved it and separated it the first time. That's why there are two in the picture and some smaller ones below. Both of the ones that came from the fasciated bulb also fasciated. The one on the left more fully than the one on the right.

I do love the color too. Smiling
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Feb 12, 2014 12:49 AM CST
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
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My, that's a healthy stand of Lilium..... superbum(?) behind. Drooling
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Feb 12, 2014 9:05 AM CST
Name: Susie
Leonard, Minnesota (Zone 3b)
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Rick, that is superbum. I had hoped to take some out last fall but didn't get time. They have pretty much taken over that area of my garden.
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Feb 14, 2014 10:15 AM CST
Name: Lorn (Roosterlorn)
S.E Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
Bee Lover Lilies Pollen collector Seed Starter Region: Wisconsin
I saw this photo on Facebook. It was posted as Cardiocrinum. Your thoughts?

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Feb 14, 2014 10:41 AM CST
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
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Well, it only reinforces my feelings:

interesting from the oddity point of view, but Yuck!
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Feb 14, 2014 12:19 PM CST
Name: Lorn (Roosterlorn)
S.E Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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They said it bloomed once, giving all it's energy to the flower(which we know is not true for lilium); that's probably why they called it Cardiocrinum. I personally think it is an Oriental Trumpet https://www.facebook.com/group... About 4 th. photo down.
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Feb 14, 2014 1:57 PM CST
Name: Susie
Leonard, Minnesota (Zone 3b)
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That is almost scary, kind of like something you wouldn't want to run into in an alley at night. Hilarious!
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Feb 14, 2014 3:14 PM CST
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
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Don't have a facebook account, so can't see the link....

But yes, I knew right away that that was not a Cardiocrinum by the leaves it possesses. Only the seed cotyledon is long and narrow in the Cardiocrinum genus (not the true leaves).
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Feb 14, 2014 3:56 PM CST
Name: Lorn (Roosterlorn)
S.E Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
Bee Lover Lilies Pollen collector Seed Starter Region: Wisconsin
Well, you didn't miss much, Rick. Here's the exact caption: (INature's photo) "Cardiocrinum-giant lily bloom once in life and then die, giving all the power to the flower". Broken English is common on Facebook. Can't make much sense out of that.

I thought the flower color resembled Susie's OT but the pollen color might be a little different?

That flower is like a horifying nightmare--if I ever woke up and saw one of those in my garden--I think I'd run!
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Feb 14, 2014 3:57 PM CST
Lincoln, NE
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Oh Susie... they can be very scary!
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Where are we going, and why am I in this hand-basket?
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Feb 14, 2014 4:22 PM CST
Name: Joe
Long Island, NY (Zone 7a)
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Appears like the picture was rigged a little. Definitely an OT or trumpet and it appears as if the flower is in the foreground and the person is behind it.
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Feb 14, 2014 5:50 PM CST
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
Garden Photography The WITWIT Badge Seed Starter Wild Plant Hunter Region: Minnesota Hybridizer
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Definitely, Joe. It's clear that the guy is standing behind the lily, and therefore he is not even looking at the lily. Rolling my eyes. Thumbs down

Roosterlorn said:That flower is like a horifying nightmare--if I ever woke up and saw one of those in my garden--I think I'd run!

I think that facebook poster's English is horrifying. We all make mistakes now and then, but are sentences (or even coherent phrases) really that difficult to construct for Americans? As a percentage overall, I find a non-American's English forum post to be more informative, well written and easy to understand than an American's (and not to mention, more civil).
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Oh, Moby,

That's a good one! Hilarious!
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers. - Socrates
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Feb 14, 2014 9:47 PM CST
Name: Lorn (Roosterlorn)
S.E Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
Bee Lover Lilies Pollen collector Seed Starter Region: Wisconsin
Rick, what you say is very true. Many speak and write the English language so well, it has forced me to 'clean up my act' when communicating with them. I make note of the fact that many speak and write not just one but two, three, or more languages as well.

INature is apparently a sub site within Facebook where anyone from anywhere in the world can post pictures they've taken about nature. I don't know the Identity or location of the original poster of the subject picture, but we should not assume he or she is from the USA by poor grammar. The English language is often the second or third language of many lily hobbyists around the world, which sometimes understandably results in broken English, but as the old saying goes: 'a picture is worth a thousand words'.
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Feb 15, 2014 2:56 AM CST
Name: Anthony Weeding
Rosetta,Tasmania,Australia (Zone 7b)
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They look like 'white icicle radishes' but true, not Cardiocrinum. Did anybody tell the submitter , he was full of **it.. angers the hell out of me when un- knowing people , who think they know a bit, go for the full hog.......whoa, Im getting really vocal I tip my hat to you.
lily freaks are not geeks!
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Feb 15, 2014 5:58 AM CST
Name: Lorn (Roosterlorn)
S.E Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
Bee Lover Lilies Pollen collector Seed Starter Region: Wisconsin
It's pretty difficult to trace because the picture alone was apparently extracted from a previous post and then reposted by another individual (without reference to the original poster). I tend to be more forgiving of poor grammar when English is the second language of the individual trying to communicate with me.

Let's get back on topic: Does anyone think the lily in the infamous picture and Susie's lily might be the same cultivar?

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