Cliff, as everyone knows, from EuroDesert, shut down last year & sold a massive amount of roses to the public (which Zuzu got the lion's share. LOL ). He also sent a massive amount of roses over to Vintage Roses.

And now Vintage, because they believed they were going to shut down themselves (!) passed on THOSE roses to Heirloom.

Personally speaking, I'm disappointed. I know some people have good luck with Heirloom. I personally have not. But here's the email from Vintage:
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EURODESERT ROSES
Where have they all gone?????

Many of you have been asking us at Vintage Gardens where all of the roses we received from EuroDesert Roses have gone to?

In December, Cliff Orent made a decision to find another nursery to take on the remaining stock, concerned that if Vintage Gardens did indeed close in 2013, no one would be left to carry the flag for these beautiful varieties. In early March these EuroDesert roses were transferred to Heirloom Roses in Oregon. We think it is a good fit for Heirloom, and better so than for us, as our nursery has always specialized in old roses more than in modern roses. Cliff very generously provided us with cuttings of many of the Hybrid Musks, Hybrid Perpetuals, Ramblers and Polyanthas that formed the core of his collection. These now have been passed on to The Friends of Vintage Roses to care for and to enhance the collection. A few of these are still available from Vintage Gardens, including many of the Louis Lens Hybrid Musks.

We encourage you to seek out the rare modern hybrids from the EuroDesert stock at Heirloom Roses in Oregon at: www.heirloomroses.com
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Sounds to me like a puppy who's not housebroken so gets passed on from home to shelter to home to shelter back to another home with no stability.

I just got the email this morning too.
Heirloom has been much better of late, my Mom just got an order in last week, they looked good.

I will be visiting Vintage in May for their open weekends, they are about 2 miles away.

Better they go to Heirloom than get dissapppeared compleatly.

I've actually started buying roses from Heirloom again. I did buy some ratty plants in the past, but the latest orders have been quite impressive. I think Heirloom's now superior to Vintage Gardens and Rogue Valley.

Not hard to be better than VG. Only a little harder to be better than RVR. I really must check out Heirloom. Evidently fifteen years of complaints from customers must have made a difference in how they grow roses.

Thanks Toni for the head's up and, Zuzu for the info.

I went to Heirloom looking for Moonlight Magic. I missed that one from Cliff & he said that he sent another mother plant to Vintage. Neither Vintage or Heirloom have Moonlight Magic. I guess I'm just not destined to get that rose. Bleh.

If the plants just got to Heirloom recently, it'll take some time before the people there grow cuttings big enough to be offered for sale.

I can seen that my resolve to buy (nearly) no more roses next year will be sorely tested. There's something about the choice of cultivars at Heirloom that has a peculiar effect on me that I experience at few other rose suppliers ...

I know just what you mean, Steve, and that's what prompted me to give them another chance. I think it's also a good idea to buy them as late in the season as possible. My Heirloom disappointments of years ago arrived in spring. Giving the roses a chance to continue growing at the nursery for a few more months is important, I think. In fact, I prefer to wait until the annual half-price sale in summer. The only time I don't wait for the sale is when I absolutely, positively must have a certain rose that might sell out before the sale.

Just checked out their online catalog. wow. This is going to cost me some money.
Did they buy out Sequoia's stock? I saw lots of minis that Ralph Moore used to have.
i love the sort options on the catalog.

I don't have to worry as I have no more room. I would have to dig and toss something already here in order to plant something new. I like all the roses I have now so don't see any point in changing anything at this time.

As far as I know, they didn't buy out Sequoia's stock, Cindy. I think Nor'East and Pickering bought it. Of course, Nor'East no longer caters to the retail mail-order customer and Pickering put all of Moore's roses on the list of offerings that won't be offered after this year, but it was nice while it lasted.