Hi, Dana. Good to hear from you. Ugh, houttuynia! If you ever wanted to get rid of it, it could be a full-time job.

I'm not sure how well Acropolis grows on its own roots. Mine's still big and vigorous after more than 10 years, but it's grafted. Luckily, Palatine carried it last year and probably will again, but you might have to wait a year or two for the next crop to reach market size.

Tisha - I didn't know that about raccoons. Blech. I'd love to know what you end up ordering.

Dana - a pool!! Excellent! Sounds like you have a lot of work/reorg to do.

zuzu said:Hi, Dana. Good to hear from you. Ugh, houttuynia! If you ever wanted to get rid of it, it could be a full-time job.

I'm not sure how well Acropolis grows on its own roots. Mine's still big and vigorous after more than 10 years, but it's grafted. Luckily, Palatine carried it last year and probably will again, but you might have to wait a year or two for the next crop to reach market size.

Hi Zuzu, I'm afraid that's going to
Be the case. they did have it last year and when I went to
Look last week it wasn't on their website. I'm not holding out for it to do anything on its own.. I remember talking to you years ago about that. It's one of my favorites but I might just put something else in it's current spot if it doesn't make it through the winter. It got really big at our old house. I've had this one since 2008 so it's had a good run and it was a crappy hortico one that looked half dead when I got it.

Putting in an order with Regans
I have 2 picked out, Double Delight and Violets Pride. I need one more for their deal.
So many roses, so little room.
Already have coming
3 Desdamona
1 The Fawn
1 White Pet
1 Arctic Blue
.
Maybe either
Sophie's rose or Maurice Utillo or George Burns or maybe I should finally get Boscobel

Don`t know why I don`t update my plant list. I love looking at everyone else`s.

@Tisha, there may be two forms of 'La Reine', in circulation. One, is darker, more violet in color & the other more red. I could be mistaken, but I do recall discussions about it & I am uncertain which vendor has which. I'm fairly certain about that, as I had both, just not simultaneously. Both were relatively indistinguishable, as far as the lack of thorns. Maybe, one is actually a sport, but the darker one I had came from Park & that is now associateed with Wayside's...
I just recent received David Austin's catalog & am afraid to even look, yet!

I only ordered 20 Austin's.
Be afraid. Very afraid!

@Tisha Geez Louise- I sure hope you used a discount code & maybe even free shipping- if they ever possibly provide such a deal, with a large sized order..

I just got the DA book and have not had time to really look at it yet. I must be getting some sort of brain disease. The catalog seems weird to me. I expected to see roses alphabetically and they are not listed that way at least not in the beginning of the catalog. I expected to see new introductions up front. Not there. Not sure where they are. I will have to study it to figure it out. Doubt I will order anything anyway. Just no space at this time, unfortunately and there are other non-DA roses I would like before I get another DA one.

These will be the last of 'em for me.
I love what I have/ am getting and that's enough for me!
@ShawnSteve,
Hello!
Getting both LR and LR Victoria.
Could that be the difference?

@zuzu Where did you get that 'Pompom'Flower Circus' from, (corrected post for proper name)
@Tish, Nope, as I did not have both of those at the same time. The first ' Reine,' was from a collection, of old roses offered by Park, out of SC. I looked in the database here & only one was almost as dark & the info about the photo mentioned the rose in the photo was at Heritage Park, in Hartford Connecticut. But that really doesn't help, with where it was obtained from. Some offered, list as shades of pink & lilac. I get it, that a bloom can fade, more hours of sunshine, but go look for yourself in the database here.

'la Reine' from a discount store,' bagged' & very inexpensive!





'la Reine Victoria' from Park seed, about 1991

Not "Flying Circus," ShawnSteve. It's Pompon Flower Circus (also commonly sold as Pompon Veranda). I have two of them; one from Northland Rosarium and another from Palatine.

@zuzu My apologies, it just popped into my head- "The Flying Circus' is just how it came out & forgot, by the time I had started the post & trying to think about uploading photos....Is there any variation, between the sources, or are they both fairly stable? I was curious, as I think it's a really stunning rose!
@Tish what I meant to say, for better clarification, is that I did not have the two ''la Reine'' ...both at the same time.. The one above, was purchased much later & the
button, in the center, seemed slightly different, too.. The first one, which was darker by far & also much more slow growing. Perhaps, weaker? The smaller branches were not as thick either, but, definitely darker, more nearly bordering on purple flowered. I question, if some have become, more like a sport & others did too, years ago. Shawn

@Tish Now I remember.! The other one was 'Reine de Violette', After all, it was almost thirty years ago...but there was still a discussion about the Rose 'la Reine' possibly having two forms, many years ago.... Then recently, I think someone mentioned not long ago, that a judge disqualified their 'la Reine' entry & had said it was because it wasn't dark enough & couldn't possibly be that particular rose, due to the pale color. So, I am still wondering, if there may be two forms...

@ShawnSteve,
That`s ok. I`m getting tired, but I did notice that RdV is also on the way. Get to compare all three hopefully.
@dana,
Any inspiration yet?

The one from Northland Rosarium is growing on its own roots and the one from Palatine is grafted, ShawnSteve. In most cases, a grafted cultivar in my garden will grow to two or three times the size of the same own-root cultivar, and I usually avoid buying own-root roses for that very reason. In this case, however, there's no difference in the size and vigor of the two because the Flower Circus/Veranda line grows very well on its own roots.

HMF has such beautiful photos of La Reine, I'm hoping Northland will offer it again in Spring, it was on her inventory list a few months back.
The DA catalog design did seem a little odd to me too, fun to read though. No William Shakespeare 2000 in the book, but I saw it online at DavidAustin.com in the US. Maybe I better ask if WS2000 is still obtainable before it disappears entirely. I really wanted Summer Song, oh well...
Lady Emma Hamilton is heading the pack for my order. Hedgerow rose wrote a recommendation of Strawberry Hill that was convincing. It's going to be really hard this year to pick out just a few.

The confusion, I think, is because there's the Hybrid Perpetual 'La Reine' and the Bourbon 'Reine Victoria', which some people list incorrectly as "La Reine Victoria". The Bourbon has a popular sport -- 'Mme Pierre Oger'.

@ShawnSteve -- your pic of 'La Reine' actually looks more like 'Reine des Violettes' -- or, at least, one of the roses sold as that name. I say that because there's a less-purple-more-pink one going around that may be a reversion to its sport-parent, 'Pius IX'. This one is also a little bristly, whereas the "real" RdV is mostly smooth, save for an odd prickle or two on older canes near the base. There are some other subtle differences, but that's another topic.

:-)

~Christopher

@zuzu Thank you for the info. I do prefer own root roses In my climate, I have seen many grafted ones just decay, over the years, as they age. Or, simply die. One, very old grafted rose, which I helped someone remove, had a massive swollen root & just a little miserable looking few small branches of growth.
@fisherwoman I was just reading about 'Reine Victoria' & apparently there are; Bourbon, Hybrid Perpetual, Hybrid Perpetual Laffay 1838 & Tea Vandall 1837. So three sorts, if I understood correctly?
Not forgetting to mention, another I had which at the time, didn't realize, the 'Mme Piere Oger', which is a sport of Reine Victoria.
@AquaEyes Yes, I finally remembered I had Reine de Violettes, from an order of four, sold by Parks about 1991(?)& that was where the above cabbage 'Reine Victoria' was purchased from. It would get 6 foot arched branches, covered in blooms. Included, were three others. 'Reine de Violettes', 'Konigin von Danmark' & a white one; 'MMe Hardy', I believe ( with lemon citrus scent.).
The one I had bought inexpensively, as 'la Reine' is one, that just may be causing the confusion!

Here is one I really like. 'Souvenir de la Malmaison'. It took years for the graft to take off, but when it did, it was very nice.