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Jul 25, 2012 3:10 PM CST
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I think Starfighter is a very strong grower for an oriental in this climate.

As for transplanting, if it is an "emergency" then you have to do what you have to do. But honestly, I would wait until late September or early October. You want the growing season to be complete. You can always tag who you want to move and make a note of it somewhere where you would like to move it. That's how I make my Fall To-Do List. Otherwise I would forget all about some of these ideas I get during growing season. I place post it notes in my garden shed with a pen next to it. Just a thought.
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Jul 25, 2012 3:33 PM CST
Name: Jo Ann Gentle
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Good advise Magnolialover.I have hand surgery to scheduled for late fall sothats why I am doing this now,
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Jul 25, 2012 10:30 PM CST
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Yes Lorn- I was snoring so much, when you did the weather report, the roof was lifting,,.Its reasonably cool here, and hoping for some much needed'good rain' tonight-I better get some wood in Thumbs up Anthony
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Jul 26, 2012 10:56 AM CST
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Bonbini is in a large pot, third year now. It's a good one!

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Jul 26, 2012 12:08 PM CST
Name: Jo Ann Gentle
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Looks like a winner.How large is the pot?
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Jul 26, 2012 11:16 PM CST
Name: Greg
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Your Bonbini looks amazing! Thumbs up
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Jul 27, 2012 8:59 AM CST
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Sue your lilies are very beautiful, but it doesn't look like 'Bonbini' to me. It looks closer to 'Nymph' maybe, another orienpet. 'Bonbini' has a bit of curl in the petals also as a trait. Where did you get yours, just curious. They are beautiful and they have most certainly done well for you.
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Jul 27, 2012 10:11 PM CST
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One way to tell the difference is the presence or lack of papillae, those little raised things some lilies have on the inner side of the tepals. Nymph has them; not Bonbini. Nymph tends to be lighter inside around the base of the tepals where the papillae are located. Most photos won't show this but if the angle is right the papillae can be seen. Pirl from DG Plantfiles has a good photo of Nymph showing the papillae; it is kind of a side on shot between the tepals, you can see them sticking up.

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Jul 29, 2012 2:02 PM CST
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Lily season is finishing up for me. Here are a few late planted (May) OTs from B & D:

'Flashpoint' is a cheerful, fragrant lily with great coloration. Unfortunately, because it was planted so late in the season it was forced to develop in temperatures consistently above 90 degrees F. The resulting plants were very short and bloomed at under two feet tall.



This stem of 'Hacienda' bloomed when temperatures cooled off into the 80s. Fragrance was markedly stronger than on my fall-planted specimens that bloomed a few weeks earlier and wafted throughout the back garden. I wonder if heat lessens or dilutes lily fragrance?



'Holland Beauty' is a beautiful lily that suffered the same fate as 'Flashpoint', blooming on ridiculously short stems due to heat. The fragrance on this one was very nice.



Lilium speciosum 'Album' is just now opening its first flowers. The petals on this one have not yet fully reflexed. Fragrance is distinct from other lilies and incredibly sweet, spicy and addictive and it wafts all over the garden. However, it does not seem very intense if you stick your nose in the blooms. A treasure!



Lilium speciosum 'Rubrum' is also just starting now. It is just as wonderful as 'Album' but it has a possibly stronger fragrance to my nose. I love the coloration on this one. This is such a classic, elegant beauty!

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Jul 29, 2012 3:09 PM CST
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Jul 29, 2012 3:15 PM CST
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I'm afraid I've missed all the photo ops in my yard for this year.
Hope to join you next year!
Your lilies are all enticing!
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Jul 29, 2012 4:52 PM CST
Name: Greg
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I planted 3 bulbs of flashpoint from B&D in May as well and they have yet to open but they are all about 2 feet or so. Nice to see yours in bloom Thumbs up
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Jul 29, 2012 10:48 PM CST
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Tracy and Connie,
I am quite confused about what you are telling me about my lily Bonbini. I looked at every one of the DG photos of Nymph and I can see those raised papillae in almost every shot. Mine don't have them, at all. I zoomed in on all my shots, even the 2011 ones and I just went out and took this shot for Jo Ann to show her the size of the pot (about 18" Jo Ann, I had a drip line for it while I was gone on vacation) and I felt every petal of every bloom, no papillae at all, smooth as a baby's behind. Green Grin!
Also, if you look at the shape and larger size of the blooms that Arlene (pirl) took here: and those blooms are bigger & longer petaled than my blooms, which are much smaller.
Looking at the ATP entry of Bonbini, I see where mattsmom's image here
looks more like your images, with paler & narrower markings.
But here, her bloom looks a lot like mine (Can those markers be wider and deeper dependent on environment/weather?)

I have had this one for a few years now and unfortunately can't remember where it came from. Shrug!

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Jul 30, 2012 12:48 AM CST
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The lack of papillae just means it isn't Nymph. According to the description in the register it should have a "pale yellow green diamond shaped flare with a slightly feathered margin of deep purplish pink" in the central basal two fifths of the tepals.

We have seen a lot differences in the intensity of color depending on mainly temperature (it seems), but there might be other factors (soil, pH?).

Here is a photo I found, supposedly Bonbini, that shows it in different stages of bloom. Age of bloom definitely makes a difference as the color fades before the flower wilts away. Enlarge the image that has a bunch of blooms, on the right:

http://lilyflowerstore.com/CSS...

My Bonbini wasn't nearly as spectacular this year as it was a couple of years ago when it first bloomed. It was more like Bomb-bini but I'm not going to complain too much since it was a no-show last year.
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Jul 30, 2012 2:37 AM CST
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Thanks for the image Sue
Is that Astranthia next to it?
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Jul 30, 2012 10:08 AM CST
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No Jo Ann, that's Verbena bonariensis Tall Verbena (Verbena bonariensis)


Well Connie, I don't have that 'slightly feathered margin' on mine so I am at a complete loss as to what it it. I thought it could be Bonbini because mattsmom's first image does show that 'slightly feathered margin' and then her later image shows it looking more like mine.
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Jul 30, 2012 10:55 AM CST
Name: Jo Ann Gentle
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phoooooey its not hardy here.
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Jul 30, 2012 2:01 PM CST
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Sue, I consider the part that says "slightly feathered margin" somewhat subjective to interpretation. To me it just means that there isn't a solid line of demarcation between the colors. What I do in a case like this is look around for photos on the internet and try to come up with some sort of mental statistic as to what it looks like in combination with register descriptions if available.

Sometimes it is easy to eliminate some contenders, like in this case whether or not it has papillae. Your lily seems to have most of the attributes of Bonbini. I think what has us scratching our heads is that the so-called "pale yellow green diamond shaped flare" at the base around the nectary furrows appears to be almost absent in yours (compared to other photos). This makes the colored part larger because it comes in much closer to the nectary furrows than what I see in most of the photos I have looked at. Indeed, it has me puzzled.

Knowing where you got this lily would help. Do you think it was a co-op?
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Jul 30, 2012 2:14 PM CST
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Yeah, it could have been an older DG co-op through Mamajack and I sure can't quite remember from what source but I think it was from a well known supplier. All the co-op records have been wiped clean off DG so I can't even check and I didn't make any notes on it. I have improved in that department since then. nodding
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Jul 30, 2012 4:36 PM CST
Name: Polly Kinsman
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My Bonbini also has a distinct light yellowish white margin around the green flare. It divides the green color and the pink color considerably.

Sue, maybe get a Bonbini from a reliable source and plant next to it for comparison? They aren't too expensive, and it is a lovely lily.

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