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Jan 5, 2013 4:23 PM CST
Name: Noel Calvert
Tumaco, Colombia-South America (Zone 13b)
A gringo?Where?(does a doubletake)
Thanks LariAnn. Hope you had a good holiday season.
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Jan 5, 2013 4:41 PM CST
Name: Noel Calvert
Tumaco, Colombia-South America (Zone 13b)
A gringo?Where?(does a doubletake)
LariAnn,
Check out my link (The thread "more philodendrons for ID." in Philodendrons, Elephant Ears, and Other Aroids forum) , & see if you can help me ID these plants please.
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Jan 6, 2013 12:43 AM CST
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Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
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Thanks Noel, I had already removed the old soil and replaced by new one. Maybe I should be brave and do it again, but now treat the tuber/rhizome with a bleach solution and force it to go dormant like you say, but would that not be a too big chock for the little plant?
You're having a fantastic collection of these impressive beauties!
I'm having serious zone envy! Hilarious!
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Jan 6, 2013 3:51 AM CST
Name: Noel Calvert
Tumaco, Colombia-South America (Zone 13b)
A gringo?Where?(does a doubletake)
I would force it dormant first, & treat it with a fungus control method. There is a copper sulfate compound used to control fungus in fish tanks. I would try that before replanting the tuber. Bleaching the tuber itself would kill it I think.
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Jan 6, 2013 4:17 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
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Thank you Noel!
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Jan 6, 2013 5:33 AM CST
Name: Noel Calvert
Tumaco, Colombia-South America (Zone 13b)
A gringo?Where?(does a doubletake)
Anytime. Good luck!
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Jan 6, 2013 8:15 AM CST
Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
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Wont it be cheaper to just throw away the plant and get a pound or kilograms of rhizomes or tubers from any ethnic food store?
Regards,
Arif.
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Jan 6, 2013 10:27 AM CST
Name: Noel Calvert
Tumaco, Colombia-South America (Zone 13b)
A gringo?Where?(does a doubletake)
Arif, in some places in the states EE bulbs are priced pretty steep , & also are not available at ethnic stores. Just not something we ever thought of eating.
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Jan 6, 2013 11:00 AM CST
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Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
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Well, in the town I live you can buy Colocasia esculenta cheap in Indian-Asiatic foodstores and I am growing one like that.
The thing is Arid, that the one which is sick is a cultivar with lovely pale green leaves: C.esculenta 'Elena'.
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Jan 6, 2013 12:19 PM CST
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Pioneer Valley south, MA, USA (Zone 6a)
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Myriam, can you grow most of the C. esculenta without lifting or protecting over winter? I'd wager 'Elena' would glow in your shady garden.
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Jan 6, 2013 1:05 PM CST
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Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
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Oh no Evan! I cannot leave it out in the winter, though it has been very uncommonly mild until now with only one light frost about a month ago, i take it inside in its pot and put it in my Attic Room!
Yes, Elena would be glowing in my shady garden if I manage to keep her alive! Rolling my eyes.
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Jan 6, 2013 10:55 PM CST
Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
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Smiling . Ethnic Indian store, ok in Bangladesh's climatic conditions you get different, in central India where it is hot and dry you get different. In Indonesia where it is not so hot but very muggy you get different and Noel if you have never considered to eat this veg does not mean that the Neo Tropical countries are not eating. They are but I don't know which variety as I was to busy in *Blush* . As to African countries, apartheid was common in those days I never got the chance to get on friendly terms with the locals, so I don't know which variety they are eating. Colocasia esculenta grows like mad here, South West Asia.
Shrug! Visit different(climatic conditions) ethnic stores for different varieties I suppose. Why this Colocasia esculenta is so common, because the Colonial masters took a lot of migrants from this area to different spots around the world as cheap work force and this happens to be the cheapest veg to fill hungry bellies. This is a part of history and not my comments.
Even here you can find Colocasia esculenta in different colours. These stores may not be importing from here but growing what ever variety they have over there only. The problem is that it does not withstand the cold even here where I am, I have to take them out every winter and store them. Why am I storing them when I am able to buy them, force of habit maybe.
As it reached Egypt thousands of years back and Europe got to know Egypt way before they came across us or any one else that is why this is esculenta(edible) in Latin. In Australia, Colocasia esculenta var. aquatilis is native. Aquatilis, Aqua wonder if it does well in water?
Regards,
Arif.
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Jan 7, 2013 1:39 AM CST
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Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
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That's all very interesting Arif! The one I'm growing I bought in a Thai shop, and I grew one (which I lost) bought in a Chinese shop. But we also have African and Indian food shops. I brought two from my last trip to Brazil, found growing in the wild, they look very different from the one of the Tai shop.
On another trip to Brazil I saw a giant variety which grew in standing water!
It must be an impressive sight to see them growing en mass where you live! Smiling
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Jan 7, 2013 4:32 AM CST
Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
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http://www.tropicos.org/Projec...
Myriam if you visit the above link you will find a lot of floral kingdoms roaming around but Alocasia does not belong to any of them. I have seen them growing wild in a part of my country that is no more. Yes, they are an impressive sight along the waterways and the following link will take you to that part of the world.
https://www.google.com/search?...
I am afraid non of the countries in South Asia are interested in Flora or Fauna even though the Floral Kingdom has not been cataloged, going extinct unknown. What ever little bit being done is being done in individual capacity. With more then 65% of the population malnourished and only 2% Lording over this sea of humanity Shrug! who cares where the Flora goes. This sea of humanity is only interested in how to put the evening food on the table and how to improve the future of their children, how can they take the time out for Flora? They don't even know if the world exists. Zombies.
Regards,
Arif.
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Jan 7, 2013 6:20 AM CST
Name: Noel Calvert
Tumaco, Colombia-South America (Zone 13b)
A gringo?Where?(does a doubletake)
Hello Arif,
How sad a state that part of the world must be in for you to be so depressed about it. I wish there was a way to improve it that we could actually implement in real time. Humanity is too damn worried about themselves to actually improve the world around them for humanity. Isn't that irony for you.

Noel
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Jan 7, 2013 6:54 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
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Thanks for the links, such a shame so little Flora research has been done so far in your country and South Asia! There must be a wealth of still-to discover specie especially in the mountainous areas!
And sure that is being due to poverty and ignorance, basic needs are put in priority.
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Jan 10, 2013 2:25 AM CST
Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri (Zone 9a)
I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Container Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Enjoys or suffers hot summers Multi-Region Gardener
History has a strange way of rewarding traitors and turncoats with land, power and wealth, turning them into elites. Then history goes packs her bags and leaves, leaving fate and destiny in the hand of the elites. Family background which is considered the cement of society has nothing to do with wealth or elitism.
Yes, very sad but whose basic needs, Elites want Serf's not thinkers. Some ones land on which a train travels for 24 hrs, how is he going to look after his lands if people are educated? How do you stop him from getting elected who has hundreds of villages on his land? We are in thrall. South Asia=Dynastic Politics.
Regards,
Arif.
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Jan 10, 2013 12:25 PM CST
Name: Jonna
Mérida, Yucatán, México (Zone 13a)
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Good analysis Arif, sounds like Mexico before the revolution. However, revolution brings its own problems as they are finding out in this arab spring. It took Mexico a very long time to begin to find its way after the revolution and often the way that looks safest and best to a people overwhelmed by chaos is the way right back to the dynastic and corrupt governments they overthrew. I feel that things are looking better and better here in Mexico, although there is as always a long road ahead. The economy is doing well, we avoided the worst of the problems from the US, and more and more of the population is living a middle class life. There is a lot of room for improvement for the indigenous but I'm hopeful. I hope that things improve in your area as well.
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Jan 10, 2013 12:56 PM CST
Name: Noel Calvert
Tumaco, Colombia-South America (Zone 13b)
A gringo?Where?(does a doubletake)
Hello Arif,
That is some sort of taro in the aroids family. I suspect it has a different classification due to its location, but I do not know enough about plant classification to really comment on that. It does resemble other aroids including Alocasia. It is obvious it is not a Xanthosoma due to the collecting vein not being there. This is a saline tolerant plant which is grown in many island cultures for food. Check out this link.

http://www.spc.int/lrd/index.p...
& this link.

http://hbs.bishopmuseum.org/bo...
Here is a quote: "These genera include Colocasia, Xanthosoma, and Alocasia, and Cyrtosperma."

I am still searching the net for my syngonium look alike. Anyone have other ideas? I have photos to compare them side by side with the S.P
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