We got used to the little house pretty quickly, didn't we, Deb. I like it too, and miss it. So getting home is not as easy, but I'll bet that can be changed, too.

Horntoad said:Need a space between thread watcher and forum watcher. Being against each other makes it harder to see.

I would like to see a little space between the new mail link and my forum list. They are blending into each other and don't stand apart.

I do miss the floating links we had. I could access them no matter where I was in ATP.

I would suggest making the right blue column a bit skinnier. It seems to match up perfectly to the left blue column which makes my eyes jump back and forth for some reason. Or perhaps I just like asymmetry.

And, yes, Sharon, that little house was my friend. Always seemed to be on any page I was at. Perhaps Dave can just add a house to the "All Thinks Plants homepage" line. I rather miss the little guy...

It is difficult to get back 'home' when you are in the middle of a thread and decide you don't want to read anymore. The little house was convenient.

As I was reviewing all the comments on this thread, I got about halfway down then decided to go try opening the plant database. No easy way to get 'home' without either scrolling up or down. I thought that was a great feature of the floating toolbar. OK, going now to try out the other buttons.

Maybe the left toolbar can float down the page?

Three, that is a great idea - it's just a blank blue screen at this point and would be great if I could just pop over to head home again (or some place else for that matter).

I just got both a tree-mail and system message -- love the brightness of the notifications, really caught my eye.

Looks amazing on my Kobo Arc too. Nice and clean and crisp.

Have to have the floating bar back, please. Too much scrolling to get to top of page if i'm in the middle.

The font is still very small when typing reply. It changes in the preview, though, and looks normal when finished.

you can command up arrow to get to the top - unless your on a tablet or phone.

Oh just came back inside and am on the Mac. Something changed. Now, in Safari, I am typing and the font size is about 5 point, even though in the post above, it is probably 12 or 14 point. Hmmm... that's not so good!

Tried refresh, shut down Safari and relaunched.

Thought I would do a little test thread and try out moderator functions with new layout. Noticed this when I tried to make a new thread in the Daylily forum. Is this the way you intended the page buttons to look?

found this in the moderator area of a thread I made. The bullets are cut off.


I miss the floating bar. Having all those items lined up on the left takes up to much vertical space, meaning that the other items, like links, and the moderator items when they are shown, are farther down.

I don't mind the column on the left, instead of the right, but the way it is set up does not seem as convienient. Maybe it is because I was so used to the floating bar. That was unique to ATP, and I liked it a lot. Even though it didn't work so well sometimes on the iPad or iPod. It was also really great on the iPad too - because I can't command UP or DOWN on there. I keep my posts set to show 500. If I am on the iPad, and I want to make a new thread in the daylily forum, I have to scroll a LONG time to get to the bottom where the new thread area is. Or, if I was way down in one of the Porch Swing threads, I could just pop up there to the floating bar and hit the mail, or home or DL DB (daylily database) buttons.

Okay, lots and lots of great feedback here.

The oddities like a missing space below the tree mail watcher, and the bullets outside their boxes, are things I'll be addressing one by one.

The floating bar... here's the issue: it's something that I was having a lot of trouble with. It was causing incompatibilities with several devices, which is why I made it stop floating and moved everything to the left. Now, I know a lot of people have become accustomed to it (me, too!) so I'm exploring options.

Horntoad said:
I also miss the floating bar with my personal links. If I have to scroll the page looking for my links I might as well just use my favorites bar on my browser.

This. I LOVED the floating menu bar for that very reason. It's nice that inside a thread, I see my personal additions, but I don't like having to scroll below the random plants on the home page to get to them. What would be REALLY COOL, @Dave (I think in computer speak that means "a ton of work") would be giving us the option to personalize not just what we see on the left side of our screen, but the sequence in which we see it.

Patience is good, take your time Dave. And thanks so much for offering this beta testing rather than simply springing it on the membership. Wise move.

Found a minor layout glitch when viewing my profile...the bullets are outside the box (wow..who knew bullets could think outside the box?)

also... having the "home" button directly below the ATP logo seems kind of redundant, since clicking the logo also takes you home. It wasn't as obviously redundant with the floating menu because it was a little house. Can we get the little house back (next to the tmail icon) and drop the "home" from the list altogether?

(please notice this is different from the other comments about the little house)

Sharon said:The art part of me says I liked the fade from ATP into the banner.
The neat part says I like the concise lines of the new layout.

the rebel in me says I don't like being boxed in. Can we make those borders less noticeable (atp logo is in a box, banner is in a box, left menu is in a box, etc) ? This layout also makes it much more noticeable when the banner starts to repeat...

>> you can command up arrow to get to the top - unless your on a tablet or phone.

For me it is "CTRL" plus up arrow.


>> The floating bar... ... was causing incompatibilities with several devices,

Sigh. I would miss it a lot. It was great. I guess I can get used to hitting "CTRL Up" to get to "my" shortcuts. How quickly the things we like become seeming necessities!

Probably instead I'll turn my Browser's favorites toolbar back on and have mostly-ATP links there.

I wonder - despite having buttons on the left where everyone can see them - would it be possible to have an option in Preferences to turn that floating, customizable menu bar back on, even if it is redundant?

Personally, as long as I have the "Little House on the ATP" always-visible, I would be 100% happy to have to go Home to access the left-hand buttons like Plant Database (frequently) or Ideas and Profile (infrequently).

I actually got into the habit of reaching the plant database by first going to a personal shortcut for the Lettuces Database, then jumping up to the whole Plant DB.

BTW - with the new font sizes, I don't need to Zoom In 1-2 times as I used to, and still do on most websites.. "CTRL 0" makes everything readable. (Though I do have the Windows Desktop option for "Extra Large Font Size" turned on, if that matters. This is with old, bad eyes plus a poor eyeglass prescription.)