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Sep 15, 2014 9:49 PM CST
Name: Marilyn
Kentucky (Zone 6a)
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Hilarious! I tip my hat to you. Thumbs up

I'll do what I can. It was a little higher than eye level. I noticed it as I was deadheading the Coral Honeysuckle. I noticed it was white and thought it the spiny fuzzy type. We'll see after I try and get some pics.
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Sep 16, 2014 11:54 AM CST
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
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Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Well, I got up early for me this morning (9 am ) because I had to get to Target and Petco to buy a few things before vacation. I picked up a couple of new critter keepers at Petco because a few of mine are cracked and old and need to be thrown out. I just hate that the brand they carry now is slightly wider so my cheesecloth doesn't fit as easily across it like the old ones. I have to stretch it and refold it. I might need to go to Jo-Ann's and just buy some fabric to stretch across the top. And FYI, I'm totally taking some critter keepers with me on vacation. Never know what you'll find up there. I've never been in September so I don't know what stage the butterflies will be in. WV has distinct broods unlike FL where they just breed near constantly. I also checked, and I should be at the right latitude for peak Monarch migration. So maybe I'll get lucky and see that happening!

Anyway, there was some pretty good activity when I left this morning but of course, I didn't have my camera on me. Of most excitement was that I saw a Giant ST and I hadn't seen one in a while so that was cool. But I came home around lunchtime and went out to check the pipevine for eggs again. And I saw a few things worth taking pictures of.

First though, I hope you'll forgive me if I rant about a couple of gardening things, but not necessarily butterfly things. Sometimes I just find funny things in my yard and since you guys are pretty familiar by now with my yard, I thought I'd share. First off, the American Beautyberries are in full berry right now. People sell these and I have to laugh because if you want some, you can come over to my backyard. The electric/telephone pole supports come down into our backyard and I guess we get a lot of birds sitting up there pooping out seeds. When I first cleaned it up I had invasive Brazilian Peppers (boo!), the beautyberries, and Greenbriar all over a big palmetto. There are also three young oak trees. I turned it into my bromeliad garden for a long time, but there was too much shade so the bromeliads got moved up front and now I don't really have anything in particular growing back there. I've toyed with a few ideas, but first I'll have to clean it up again. I actually don't go back there much anymore and technically half of it is my neighbor's property. He never cared but he died last year and the property is up for sale now so I suppose I shouldn't go crazy until the new owners move in. Anyway, I found a cherry tree growing back there! I never knew my Black Cherry would spread so many seeds; Dad already had to remove a few that came up next to our big oak. There is also a mystery tree that I'm going to have to have Dad identify for me. I also found a little camphor tree that had some suspicious chewing activity but no Spicebush cats on it.

Anyway, here's the Beautyberries. I hear they're popular with birds which I guess is why they keep coming up where they do. So you bird folks might want to plant some if they're native to your area. People can eat them too; I know some people make jam or jelly out of them. I've never planted one in my yard before except to transplant a few to the other side. One thing that does irk me besides people who have to pay for these things, is that someone decided to make a variety with white berries! That's like people who make white coneflowers! Granted, my favorite color is purple, but why mess with something when it's already working? FYI, that's evil skunkvine covering my Beautyberry. Gotta take care of that. That stuff is super invasive. I never get rid of it; I just keep it in check.

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Now, another thing that baffles my mind is that people pay for Tassel Flower. At least, I guess they do because it keeps showing up in my Select Seeds catalog. To be fair, I love Select Seeds. I love their philosophy and how they're trying to keep heirloom seeds available for gardeners. Kudos to them. I bought my Mexican Flame Vine from them last year. But every time I see that Tassel Flower, I laugh. If you want some, I can get you some. The ones in the catalog are the pale reddish-orange color which is more common, but we also get a purple variety. The catalog makes the flowers look a lot bigger than they are so sometimes I wonder if they have a different species. A few years ago, either my neighbor or my brother didn't mow around our shared property line and we had tons of Tassel Flower coming up. And I have never seen so many Phaeon Crescents in one place before. They loved the stuff. And as weeds go, it's a pretty good one. The small butterflies do like it, and it's easy enough to pull if you don't want it around. And it's so easy to grow, it's coming out of my gutters. Check the blooms on the left side; this is the purple variety.

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Okay, but I do have butterfly pictures to share today. Here's one of my faithful Duskywings on one of the few Spanish Needles that has come back in the front of the yard.

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I guess it's good I came in when I did because I can hear it raining now. It didn't look that cloudy when I was outside, but that's Florida for you. Here's another skipper that was just hanging out in the butterfly garden eating porterweed and resting. I looked in my book and I think it's a Southern Broken Dash but I'm going to send it to BAMONA. They haven't gotten back to me lately; they must be getting busy or something. I really am trying to learn these skippers.

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Here's a couple of Zebra Longwings that were flying around. Well, the one is taking a rest but the other is nectaring on my now-famous Mexican Flame Vine from the very lovely people at Select Seeds. Heck, there are probably some Mexicans that would laugh at me for buying this plant just like I laugh at people who buy Tassel Flower. I totally love the Florida Native Plant Society folks and I have bought so much stuff from them, but I can't believe some of the plants they manage to get people to buy. Like Spiderwort. You know where I got mine? I went to the next street over and dug it up by one of the telephone poles! No sense paying for something you can get for free. Okay, back to the butterflies...

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I think this is the same skipper I saw the other day that I'm waiting to get an ID on.

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I should probably go rant on the native plant forum, but as people who raise butterflies, I think we're all very mixed-up into the native plant world ourselves. I had another person this weekend at MOSI ask how I got into raising butterflies and I told him my story about how I got into gardening and I really wanted to plant natives to help the environment. Once I found out some of those native plants would host butterflies one thing led to another and now I'm an addict (it's ok, I can admit it). And remember, you can find native plants pretty easily and you can sometimes get them for free. But remember to ask if you're on private property, don't let the city or county workers see you if you're in a park or preserve (not that I would ever advocate that kind of thing), and just keep an eye open along the side of the road to see what's available (but keep your eyes on traffic or get a designated driver). You can find so many good host plants just growing along the sides of the roads. And your neighbors would probably love you if you took their weeds. They might not love your yard looking like it's full of weeds (especially if you have an HOA) but a lot of laws are changing so that people can have more natural yards and less St. Augustine water-guzzling wastelands. (Full disclosure, that Broken Dash Skipper uses St. Augustine grass as a host plant.) But you can have grass and interesting plants at the same time!

Okay everyone, thanks for listening. I promise you lots of butterfly pictures in return. It's probably good that we talk more about the plants that host our caterpillars and feed our butterflies. I find it interesting how butterflies host on different plants in different regions and since we have people from all over here on the forum, it's nice to know these things. So as you post your butterfly pics, please feel free to tell us more about the plants you're finding them on or what you think they prefer. We're all here to learn. And show-off. Rolling on the floor laughing But mostly to learn, right?

Final note: I prefer the traditional coneflowers, but that banner today is gorgeous. It's just the white ones that look so "blah" to me. I guess I'm like a butterfly; I like bright colors in my garden!
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Sep 16, 2014 4:28 PM CST
Name: Glen Ingram
Macleay Is, Qld, Australia (Zone 12a)
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Well I chased this butterfly around and around for you and it is the best I can do. It is an Evening Brown. It didn't help that it is only active at dusk.

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Here is what it looks like with a better camera and photographer.

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Sep 16, 2014 4:56 PM CST
Name: Dave
Dayton, TN (Zone 7a)
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Gleni that butterfly has similarities to our Eastern Comma and Question Mark
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Sep 16, 2014 5:01 PM CST
Name: Glen Ingram
Macleay Is, Qld, Australia (Zone 12a)
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Dave they look similar! Are yours crepuscular too?
The problem is that when you are young your life it is ruined by your parents. When you are older it is ruined by your children.
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Sep 16, 2014 5:05 PM CST
Name: Marilyn
Kentucky (Zone 6a)
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I just went out to try and get some pics of the white cat, but it was nowhere in sight.
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Sep 16, 2014 5:15 PM CST
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Well, I just learned what crepuscular means! I've only ever seen one Comma (I think it was a Comma) and it was in the middle of the day in WV. I've never heard of them being crepuscular. Just for fun, I'm going to use that word in a sentence and watch my dad get confused.

I was just packing my new critter keepers for the trip and noticed they are BPA-free. I don't think the caterpillars would care, but some people use those things to hold their fish while they are changing or cleaning tanks so I could see how chemicals leaching into your water would be a problem. And I thought for those environmentally conscious people on here, you may want to know that Petco has BPA-free critter keepers.

I also forgot to mention the Polydamas was flying around again but I had no chance of catching up with it today. I tell people that even when I release butterflies, they stay around my yard because I have all the plants they want - host and nectar. Although, they do occasionally visit the neighbors.
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Sep 16, 2014 7:59 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
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Cool Glen!

Darn things just want to make you run around like a fool I think. They must laugh so hard at us.
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Sep 16, 2014 9:53 PM CST
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
My dad just got back from the Virginia Woodturning Symposium. He was telling me how he saw this sulphur and was chasing it through a field but couldn't get a picture of it. I don't know if the butterfly was laughing, but my dad's friend sure was!

It is very unnerving when people watch me at the museum trying to net butterflies. I always tell them not to look; I get so nervous! Plus, I've already fallen into one bush trying to catch a Tiger ST this year and that was embarrassing enough. At least on vacation in WV there's fewer people to see me out in the woods making a fool of myself. On the plus side, mountain people are pretty cool about individuality as long as it's not hurting anyone else. Also, I think they like to see a younger person that's actually interested in nature and not staring at a smartphone constantly. Not that you can get a cell phone connection up at Grandma's house anyway!
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Sep 16, 2014 11:07 PM CST
Thread OP
central Illinois
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A Comma from a while back...
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Sep 17, 2014 1:08 AM CST
Name: Glen Ingram
Macleay Is, Qld, Australia (Zone 12a)
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What a great shape it has, Jack.

The following I got by sitting next to blooms this afternoon. If I can't chase them then they might join me. It is on an Australian Buttercup.

This is a Blue. They are small and I have pawed over the butterfly books but it is too hard for me to get to a species level.

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The following is accidental but gives an impression of the upperparts.

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PS After looking at more photos, it is probably Common Grass Blue - Zizina labradus.
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Sep 17, 2014 1:20 AM CST
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central Illinois
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That's Jack, Glen.

We've a diminutive blue BF named Summer Azure, there's also a Spring Azure;, they're both of a light blue hue (though one could say, the spring one has a bluish-grey color). The wing markings are fairly well defined.

Always good to see BF from across the world.
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Sep 17, 2014 2:17 AM CST
Name: Glen Ingram
Macleay Is, Qld, Australia (Zone 12a)
(Lee Reinke X Rose F Kennedy) X Unk
Amaryllis Hybridizer Canning and food preservation Lilies Native Plants and Wildflowers Orchids
Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Pollen collector Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge) Plays in the sandbox Sedums Seed Starter
Thanks Jack. Old age is coming for me.
The problem is that when you are young your life it is ruined by your parents. When you are older it is ruined by your children.
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Sep 17, 2014 2:49 AM CST
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central Illinois
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I never thought i'd say but the same sediments occasional dwell on my mind. Fortunately, when really active, they melt away swiftly, but then before you know it the other side of the coin manifests itself again..I'm happy the alternate reality only operates seldom and for brief interludes.. Biology, botany, geology, history and sci fic are my best avenues to pursue to extend the longer platitudes of youthful aspirations.
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Sep 17, 2014 1:15 PM CST
Name: tarev
San Joaquin County, CA (Zone 9b)
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A busy skipper morning on the lantana


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Sep 17, 2014 1:55 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
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Nice photos everyone!

I will echo Jack's sentiments about seeing butterflies form the other side & under side of the world. Smiling
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
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Sep 17, 2014 2:02 PM CST
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Yup, I definitely like having a diverse population on here. It means we all get to see more varieties of butterflies! Plus, it is pretty cool to notice the commonalities of some of the species, even if they are on different continents.
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Sep 17, 2014 2:13 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Region: Ukraine Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Garden Ideas: Master Level Butterflies Charter ATP Member Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Dog Lover
I agree
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
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Sep 17, 2014 3:39 PM CST
Thread OP
central Illinois
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Monarch today

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Sep 17, 2014 4:43 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Region: Ukraine Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Garden Ideas: Master Level Butterflies Charter ATP Member Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Dog Lover
Ooooooooooooo pretty! Yay for monarchs! Hurray! Hurray!
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown

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