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Sep 3, 2014 12:26 PM CST
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
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Hey, I just went into the main forum and this thread was at the very top which makes sense because I just posted. Except - weren't there like three or four "sticky" threads? Did they just disappear or am I imagining things? Why is the world trying to confuse me today? First a Gulf Frit on the pipevine and now threads are vanishing. Confused


Ahh...they're on the side now. Can't they give us some warning about these things? My digital world got all discombobulated for a minute.
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Sep 3, 2014 12:43 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
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Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
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Sep 4, 2014 11:42 AM CST
Name: Margaret
Near Kamloops, BC, Canada (Zone 3a)
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Hurray! BAMONA did it again, I got an ID on my lovely white moth. http://www.butterfliesandmoths...
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Sep 4, 2014 2:00 PM CST
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
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Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Nice one, Margaret. Hooray for those BAMONA folks.

I had to release another Polydamas today and gather more food for the cats and I ended up getting a few pictures. Here's the Polydamas which didn't fly miles away and instead hung out on the front columns of my house for a minute. Then it flew miles away.

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I'm always trying to show the guests at MOSI (and you guys) how the Zebra Longwings eat pollen. I got a pretty good photo today - just look at that yellow glob!

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Speaking of yellow things, I found some kind of Sulphur cat while I was picking Senna. I'm going to place bets this is an Orange-Barred due to the sheer number of them, plus the fact that he was in the area where the Orange-Barred was laying eggs last week. The Cloudless stuck to the other side of the Sennas.

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It's a hard-knock life for this Gulf Fritillary enjoying my Mexican Flame Vine. I followed it over to the firebush, too.

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In other news, I gathered more Pipevine and Polydamas eggs. Found a bunch more Poly cats, too. I also saw a Spicebush ST on my firebush (odd choice for them) but I was on the wrong side of the fence so I couldn't get a pic. It appeared to be a male. Even if I had a female, she probably couldn't find the spicebush or the sassafras due to all the weeds. This is a brutal time of year. It's super hot so you can't be outside for too long but with the heat and the rain nearly every day the weeds just shoot up! And the butterflies are so fast and I am just dragging along. I just keep reminding myself fall will come eventually.
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Sep 4, 2014 11:53 PM CST
Name: Linda Williams
Medina Co., TX (Zone 8a)
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Great photos! These certain little butterflies have been around for a couple of weeks, I guess. I couldn't figure out what it was, because I never could get a very good look or photo. Then finally, I noticed it had eyespots, but still couldn't ID it. Today I thought maybe its behavior might be like a satyr...flitting around the ground, rocks and grassy areas. So I think I found a likely ID...Red Satyr! I don't have a very good photo, but maybe eventually I'll get a better one.
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I would feel more optimistic about a bright future for man if he spent less time proving that he can outwit Nature and more time tasting her sweetness and respecting her seniority. E. B.White
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Sep 5, 2014 4:55 AM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
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I think you're right Linda. Certainly a satyr.
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
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Sep 5, 2014 6:17 AM CST
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
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Definitely a Satyr, but I never heard of a Red Satyr. Beautiful! You TX folks are lucky to be in a prime butterfly area, I think. Sort of like how I tell people in FL we're lucky to live in a subtropical zone - we get the best of both worlds!
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Sep 5, 2014 10:46 AM CST
Name: Margaret
Near Kamloops, BC, Canada (Zone 3a)
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Linda, looks like a Red Satyr to me too, pretty little butterfly. Thumbs up
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Sep 6, 2014 11:45 AM CST
Name: Betsy
Texas (Zone 9a)
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So glad I went to the back last evening - found her caught in netting covering the figs. After I took her photo, helped her out of netting. Swallowtail, right?
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Sep 6, 2014 12:01 PM CST
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Betsy, that's a Giant Swallowtail and a good example of one of the times it's okay to touch a butterfly. But like I tell everyone at MOSI, try to only touch the body and legs, not the wings!

Okay, I got a few pictures for you guys today. First up is a Zebra Longwing on my very successful Mexican Flame Vine. So far the Zebra LWs and the Gulf Frits seem to like it the best. I've got some pretty roughed-up butterflies flying around, though. Check out this Zebra LW.

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I was out there collecting food, but also checking the pipevine for anyone who needed to go to MOSI tomorrow. I didn't find any more Polydamas eggs, but quite a few Pipevine eggs so it's good that I went and looked. I did find one fat Polydamas caterpillar. The first pic is how I found him. Notice the frass at the top of the leaf. Frass is always a good clue that you've got a caterpillar nearby. And there he was munching away on that leaf. The second photo is so you guys can see what he looks like.

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Not a butterfly, but in case you've never seen them, it's Lovebug season again! When I saw them I started to say, "isn't it a little early for..." and then I remembered it was September. May and September are Lovebug season here in Tampa, anyway. They don't bite but they can damage the paint on your car. Seriously, car washes LOVE this time of year. I hear they were disappointed this past May because it wasn't a good year for the Lovebugs (I think we had too wet of a winter or something). Oh, and the story about Lovebugs being an experiment that escaped from UF is just an urban legend. They're actually from South America or something.

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The Duskywings haven't entirely deserted me as I still have Spanish Needles growing down by the fence. Saw them on the porterweed by the house, too.

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I got a Cassius Blue to hold still!

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I came back inside to sort my eggs and feed everybody, and then I decided to feel myself. Had to go to Chick-Fil-A because it's college football today and seeing 100 commercials with those cows hawking chicken makes me want to eat Chick-Fil-A. So off I went. Luckily, I still had my camera in my pocket because a Long-Tailed Skipper started laying eggs on the butterfly pea! Look close and you can see one egg right above the body on that little leaf. Neat!

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Sep 6, 2014 1:34 PM CST
Name: Betsy
Texas (Zone 9a)
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Mellie, I don't have to touch her - just lifted the netting. Wow, so neat to catch the long-tailed skipper laying eggs - haven't seen that before.
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Sep 6, 2014 1:54 PM CST
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Betsy, that's good that the butterfly was able to free itself with a little help. I volunteer at the Museum of Science and Industry in Tampa in the butterfly exhibit and I'm always getting the question about if you touch a butterfly, will it die. I usually use the example of if you see a butterfly in a spider web, but I like your scenario, too. It's a fine line telling people that, yes you can touch them and not kill them, but at the same time, don't touch them unless you absolutely have to!

From experience, I've found that nature very rarely needs our help and tends to do better when we just leave things alone. I'm not counting the parts where we've already messed things up and have to go back and try to fix them, FYI.

And if you've been doing this as long as I have (seven years) you have plenty of pictures of butterflies laying eggs! But it's still cool every time I see it!
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Sep 6, 2014 6:45 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
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I agree Melanie, your last photo post had some fantastic shots! And as usual, wonderful information!
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
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Sep 6, 2014 7:00 PM CST
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Thanks, Ann! I'm headed to MOSI tomorrow so expect a lot of pictures when I get back! And maybe the butterflies will cooperate and do something interesting.
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Sep 6, 2014 7:36 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Region: Ukraine Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Garden Ideas: Master Level Butterflies Charter ATP Member Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Dog Lover
You never can tell with nature.
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
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Sep 7, 2014 2:52 PM CST
Name: josephine
Arlington, Texas (Zone 8a)
Hi Everybody!! Let us talk native.
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Wow! I haven't posted for a while and so much has happened in between. Great Job Everyone. Smiling
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Sep 8, 2014 7:53 AM CST
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Good morning, everyone! I slept through most of yesterday afternoon, evening, and night. So I'm up bright and early (for me). I took some pictures already, but for now I'm just going to post yesterday's excitement at MOSI. It was a cloudy day, and it drizzled on me for about 10-15 minutes so my shirt was wet with rain and sweat. Lovely combination. It seemed to entice the butterflies as I had Eastern Black Swallowtails that kept landing on my shirt. I was wearing red, which is an attractant. But still, the Swallowtails hardly ever land on people.

Anyway, we have two tanks of Spicebush cats in the lab! Someone must have found more eggs - and maybe cats. Here's a green one and an orange one. The orange one means he's about ready to make his chrysalis. Well, first he gut purged and then he was wandering around for a long time, but I'm sure he's in his sling this morning. FYI, we have informational signs in front of the lab and one of the pictures happens to be a green and an orange Spicebush cat. This little boy I had been talking to (who was very smart) didn't think they looked real. So I brought them out and showed them to him. He was impressed!

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I released about two dozen Atalas over the course of the day! I also collected a bunch of eggs off the coontie so the Atalas shall continue!

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Giant Swallowtail. I get asked a lot why butterflies are missing parts of their wings or tails. Do people not understand the brutality of nature? I try to answer them with the less-jaded part of my brain and basically tell them, "It's a hard knock life." FYI, I'm a lot nicer to the kids and more blunt with the adults.

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I did manage to catch a small anole (lizard) in the flight cage and evict him. We've got two in the lab, though. The war never ends. This Long-Tailed Skipper is also missing a few pieces, but look at that color! Would have been even more impressive if the sun had been out.

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Zebra Longwing, you are cleared for takeoff!

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Malachites usually like the disgusting, rotting fruit, but I also caught one on the passion vine!

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The Malachites are also reproducing. We had two mating pairs in there yesterday! I told my boss to be sure to check for eggs today.

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Eastern Black Swallowtail. A lot of people declared this their favorite butterfly yesterday. I told them to plant an herb garden.

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This male Orange-Barred Sulphur emerged for me.

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This is me in the garden stalking a Spicebush. I ended up catching one later, but not this one. I really hate it when people watch me netting butterflies because I get really nervous. There was one couple that was walking by, and to be fair, I was near the main entrance so they couldn't avoid me. I think the wife said, "Ooh, look - she's going to catch that butterfly!" And I yelled back, "Don't watch me! I have performance anxiety!" And the husband cracked up at that. He got it. Rolling on the floor laughing FYI, I didn't catch the butterfly - a Giant ST with nearly a whole wing missing! A male Pipevine ST flew by and they both flew away. I chased, but still couldn't catch that Giant ST. Even with missing wings, they're still faster than me. Although, that's not saying much.

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While stalking, I also saw this White Peacock. I caught one later in the day, too. Their numbers have really increased lately. It's weird, but I like it!

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I was out in the garden to pick pipevine and I eventually made it. I thought this group of just-molted Polydamas were too cute so I took a picture.

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The Polydamas have decided to emerge! I released two at my house this week and this one at MOSI. About time those lazy butterflies came out. They can't just hang out on the chrysalis wall forever.

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Someone caught a Palamedes again! Have I mentioned how much I like them? Here's your lesson for the day. To tell the Palamedes from the Black ST, look for the yellow lines that run parallel to the body on the underside of the wing. Also, the body itself is striped, whereas the Black ST is spotted. And also, I think the yellow on the Palamedes has more of an air-brushed look to it than the Black ST. Also, it lacks the two black spots inside the red/orange cell at the bottom of the wing like the Black ST has. So there's a few ways to tell. Also, I think the Palamedes are way bigger on average.

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I tried getting a picture of the Sleepy Orange and everyone else kept butting in on the lantana. So here's a Sleepy Orange with a Zebra Longwing and an Atala.

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That's all for pictures. I've had quite a few adults asking when butterfly mating season is, or more specifically, when Monarch mating season is. And I'm like, "Anytime." Seriously, butterflies are more interested in mating than food. That's what I always tell people who worry about keeping a butterfly overnight in their house. It will not starve to death, and it likely is more interested in a mate. Also, when you live in a subtropical zone, things slow down, but they never stop. We really only have a few weeks in late January and early February where the butterfly activity gets really slow. And even then, you'll still see Monarchs and Cloudless Sulphurs. Don't know why those two species are special, but they're the ones I see in the winter (what little winter we have).
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Sep 8, 2014 8:25 AM CST
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Okay, my Facebook feed is filling up with people talking about the "Puss Caterpillar" (aka Flannel Moth) and warning people about them. I actually had a lady at the museum ask me yesterday if it was a Facebook hoax and I assured her they were real but that in seven years of raising caterpillars, I'd never seen one. Meanwhile, everyone is panicking. The article says they like oaks and elms. I have oaks all over my neighborhood (doesn't everyone in Tampa?) and we have both oaks and elms at MOSI. Anyway, if you're interested, here's the article. And tell me if you've ever seen or been stung by one.

http://www.wfla.com/story/2643...
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Sep 8, 2014 11:04 AM CST
Name: Linda Williams
Medina Co., TX (Zone 8a)
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Lovely cats & butterflies, Melanie! Ha! People just like to scare themselves about the puss cats! I accidentally found this site when looking for info on a certain species I was wondering about. I was interested in the twin-cup method mentioned in one section.
http://www.raisingbutterflies....
I would feel more optimistic about a bright future for man if he spent less time proving that he can outwit Nature and more time tasting her sweetness and respecting her seniority. E. B.White
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Sep 8, 2014 11:32 AM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
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mellielong said:Okay, my Facebook feed is filling up with people talking about the "Puss Caterpillar" (aka Flannel Moth) and warning people about them. I actually had a lady at the museum ask me yesterday if it was a Facebook hoax and I assured her they were real but that in seven years of raising caterpillars, I'd never seen one. Meanwhile, everyone is panicking. The article says they like oaks and elms. I have oaks all over my neighborhood (doesn't everyone in Tampa?) and we have both oaks and elms at MOSI. Anyway, if you're interested, here's the article. And tell me if you've ever seen or been stung by one.

http://www.wfla.com/story/2643...


Yup, I came across these online a few years ago. I've been in Fl. all my life tromping around through oaks & scrub, climbing oaks & all manner of things. I have never once seen one. Now, I just jinxed myself but I have never run across a puss cat.
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown

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