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Mar 28, 2015 10:46 AM CST
Name: Sherry
Northern California
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Where we'd lived for the past 30-some years, you did not see many cats outside...far too many coyotes. We had one cat who spent days outside with us, but the other 6 cats were inside cats. The one outside cat was, by himself, enough to smash down every nepeta I tried to grow. We fed birds, hummers, crows, finches and the cat only caught one bird that we knew of.

Where we are now there are no coyotes and we're still amazed to see cats living outside, especially out in the pastures in the open. Our neighbor does cat rescue and we consequently enjoy quite a variety of her cats who seem to prefer our yard, maybe because everyone else has dogs. I feed crows, ravens, starlings, jays and one gull every day and the cats have not gone after one bird and we never find feathers anywhere. I don't think that I would hesitate to grow nepeta for fear of attracting cats because we already have quite a variety of them here....but I won't grow it because it wouldn't stand a chance....lol..
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Mar 28, 2015 10:26 PM CST
Name: Dirt
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Hilarious! Well, yeah--cats are individuals and it's not proper to make sweeping generalizations I suppose. Ruthless bird killing depends on so many things, like the age and ability and proclivity of the cat, and their fed-or-not status. Although the stats say that domestic and feral cats are the #1 killer of various song birds, and this is used to 'imprison' cats indoors and kill them by the thousands, not all cats are able to hunt all kinds of birds successfully. Some cats do seem content to watch birds like we watch television and some cats will even go after the big birds for no apparent reason --wish I had a video of one of mine dragging that big woodpecker across the yard that was pecking him in the head as he went...(and I'm glad I don't have one of that owl ripping apart another one of mine Sad )

Perhaps my experience is informed by a certain scale of variety and volume (lotsa cats and losta nepetas) that does not apply across the board. I could see that if you had one cat that really loved all nepeta that it might not be possible to grow it and, likewise, if you had lots of cats and one nepeta it might not stand a chance.
maybe I shoulda kept *my* mouth shut!

I do also grow nepeta cataria, for the cats, and although most of the cats do like that one, I have never had that destroyed by cats either, at least that I am aware of. It is so prolific that I yank out much of it and I might not know if the cats wrecked some here or there before I had a chance to weed it out. Even catnip proper doesn't draw cats from all over into my yard--either here (in town) or where I used to live (farm in the middleofnowhere). And, in both places, the only nepeta of any kind for the locally roaming cats to find is (and was) in my yard. Of course, I always have resident cats and dogs so it's not like they tolerate an invasion of roaming cats. Currently, I do have cat visitors on occasion, looking for food, using my gardens as a litterbox, but pass thru mostly, en route to the neighbors. Whereas, our neighbors with feeders (dogs or no) do attract almost all of the outdoor neighborhood cats with regularity, including my own, more than I like to admit *Blush* and I do feed my cats.

So, let me re-phrase the generalization, to be more accurate regarding what attracts roaming cats to visit the places where they do not technically live--at least according to the humans, the cats themselves might have a very different opinion of their home range--and that is, some acceptable combination of relative safety and whatever else it is that they are looking for. Cats will roam far and wide and compromise the safety part of the equation, IF they are in need, for two things: food and fornication.
Otherwise, if they are fed and 'fixed' they tend to hang around somewhat close to home, but even still, they often roam around, more so when they are young and adventurous, primarily for the fun of activity--exploring/learning about their world and hunting and fighting. That's innate and they are driven to do that. But the search for nepeta is not an innate driver; it's more of an acquired taste once they discover it (and not all cats are actually into it--the attraction ranges the spectrum from not interested at all to hopelessly addicted, and interestingly enough, feral cats are over-represented in the not interested end and well-fed cats are over-represented in the indulgent end--but that's not a rule, just an observation of many cats at the shelters and clinics).
Anyway, some outdoor cats will remain avid adventurers, hunters, and fighters into their old age. Most will chill out more and yet they still often visit other places for a variety of reasons, many unique to the individual cat. The most common is still food--like Mrs. Jones gives out tuna or Mr. Smith leaves out a bowl of a different name-brand cat food for his cat (and some cats even take great delight in stealing food from dogs). Many go in search of peace and solitude. Some are very social and affectionate with people and make regular rounds to visit the folks they like. Some literally make rounds to pester other animals and people (pretty funny games of dog torment courtesy of our current northern neighbor cat). And some go to watch cat TV at the feeders, even if they have no particular inclination to kill anything. Etc. and any combination thereof.
I suppose that it is entirely possible for cats to seek out gardens with nepeta and wreak havoc, but I have not experienced that in all the years of growing various forms as a staple garden element along with plenty of cats.
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Mar 28, 2015 10:34 PM CST
Name: Sherry
Northern California
Sunset Zone 17
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Region: Pacific Northwest Seed Starter Region: California Plant Identifier
Our neighborhood cats are all spayed and neutered by the young woman who rescues them and she asks that the neighborhood not feed them, so that they return to her house...they are semi-feral and they all get along. There do not seem to be many others coming in from outside the 'hood. Our one remaining cat (inside) enjoys watching all the other cats who visit...the only thing he's growled at is the deer...lol..he doesn't know from 'deer'....

Aplogies for going OT here, I will now shut up....
I could be wrong...
and.....
"maybe I should have kept my mouth shut....."
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Mar 28, 2015 11:20 PM CST
Name: Dirt
(Zone 5b)
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Mar 29, 2015 11:03 AM CST
Name: Deb
Planet Earth (Zone 8b)
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I feed birds. I have cats. I grow nepeta. It's all good.
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Mar 30, 2015 8:42 AM CST
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I bet a lot of those other comments you are finding online don't know the difference between catmint and catnip anyway.
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Mar 30, 2015 9:15 AM CST
Name: Arlene
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I'll bet Sue is right.
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Mar 30, 2015 9:26 AM CST
Name: Sherry
Northern California
Sunset Zone 17
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My Gull, FlyBoy....the cats don't bother him...lol..

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I could be wrong...
and.....
"maybe I should have kept my mouth shut....."
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May 26, 2015 5:28 AM CST
Name: Karen
Valencia, Pa (Zone 6a)
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Neighborhood cats squash down my Walker's Low every year. I have no cats of my own. These belong to people who let their cats roam free throughout the neighborhood.

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May 26, 2015 10:41 AM CST
Name: Deb
Planet Earth (Zone 8b)
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Cats go where they will.
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May 20, 2018 12:54 PM CST

I've planted catmint last year that were lovely, but this spring they are not showing any signs of life, just woody stems. Please, will appreciate advice. Thank you.
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May 20, 2018 12:54 PM CST

I've planted catmint last year that were lovely, but this spring they are not showing any signs of life, just woody stems. Please, will appreciate advice. Thank you.
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May 20, 2018 1:24 PM CST
Name: Deb
Planet Earth (Zone 8b)
Region: Pacific Northwest Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Garden Ideas: Master Level
I have better luck with catmint than catnip. Both are in the Nepeta family, but the actual catnip variety is N. cataria and I assume this has much stronger allure to our feline friends. I do like to grow catnip, and will often place an empty wire basket around a new start until it gets established. Some cats are just fierce about rolling it to death and/or eating it. The catnip has a stronger, coarser smell to me. Do you know what variety you planted?
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Jun 2, 2018 8:57 AM CST
Name: Bea Kimball
Little Rock, Arkansas; (Zone 7b)
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I worried about catmint too, as my neighbors have a number of roving cats. I planted Nepeta faassenii Select Blue from High Country gardens in a new hillside garden this spring. I tried it because I needed something that would grow in poor, unamended soil. It is blooming beautifully and undisturbed by cats, rabbits and deer.
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Apr 26, 2021 6:37 AM CST

stone said:Hmmm...
I absolutely hate it when I plant nepeta, and the cats ignore it...

At my previous garden, I had catnip growing everywhere!
Seems the cats spread it around... When they ate it and then used the garden as a litter box, thus deterring the voles... And planting the catnip...

Y'all plant catnip and then expect to keep the cats away from it?

Cruel dude, that's just cold.

HMMMMMM---- I hate it when selfish cat owners insist on letting their repulsive cats out to crap in our yards, forage our plants, and walk on our vehicles. If you love your cat, keep it to yourself.
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