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Nov 25, 2016 2:23 PM CST
Name: Dr. Demento Jr.
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keithp2012 said:I've been depressed for a few days now. The thanksgiving holiday made me feel worse.
They don't agree with our ways and we don't like their ways. They were the only "non family" I used to talk to and now it's fading and I feel more and more alone.

IF you begrudge them their manner of life, then what goes around comes around.
It is up to you to adapt to society.
Only you can stop yourself from being cut off.
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Nov 25, 2016 8:56 PM CST
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Keith, believe me when I say that MANY families are very dysfunctional. And MANY people find the holiday season depressing. Be thankful for what you do have... such as a roof over your head, food, access to the internet and gardening friends here on NGA (and elsewhere), your niece and nephew, and so on. There are SO many people who have really, really terrible problems... what brought that home to me, when I was at a very low point following a divorce that I hadn't seen coming, was a news program about children in a hospital cancer ward. Watching that gave me something to cry about other than my own miserable plight... and made me realize that I had a choice as to whether I was going to be miserable or happy. You also have that choice... instead of wishing for things that you can't have, find joy in the things that you do or can have. It's right there waiting for you to embrace it.

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Nov 25, 2016 9:54 PM CST
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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Keith ... I've held back telling you my own story simply because it sounds too dramatic to be true AND making someone feel guilty about what they do have never allows them to see beyond their current circumstances to decide if and how to change them.

However, I've chosen to share an epiphany I had years ago about allowing myself to feel depressed about the holidays or anything else that left a scar on my life ...

Feeling sorry for myself never helped anyone else who was in pain.

Let the pain stop with me.

When it hurts this bad ... and it will ... I am going to find a way to do whatever is possible to save anyone else from having to go through what I am going through.

Let it stop with me.

Your choice.
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Nov 25, 2016 10:17 PM CST
Name: Ginny G
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Nov 25, 2016 10:49 PM CST
Name: Ginny G
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Lyn did you figure out your hole in the fence yet?
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Nov 25, 2016 11:08 PM CST
Name: Keith
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RpR said:
IF you begrudge them their manner of life, then what goes around comes around.
It is up to you to adapt to society.
Only you can stop yourself from being cut off.



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Nov 25, 2016 11:22 PM CST
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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Legalily said:Lyn did you figure out your hole in the fence yet?


Nope ... It's still raining .... Hilarious! My roses are getting a clean prune with the deer chomp method this year ... Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing

I did fix one of the fences on a bed out in front of the house where they just leaned on the fence and pushed it down. That fence was held up by t-posts ! It must have been a BIG deer.

Must be one or more of those stupid town deer that don't know how to forage anywhere except in gardens ... Sighing! We have had 15 inches of rain in the last two months. Everything is green every where. There is plenty of food for deer. Town deer simply don't know that there is any food to be found outside of a garden.

Stupid deer. Glare Their mamas just didn't teach them right ... Rolling my eyes.
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Nov 25, 2016 11:30 PM CST
Name: Ginny G
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Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Love the way you put it. We need rain desperately. I'll deep water trees tomorrow.
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Nov 26, 2016 12:11 AM CST
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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Ginny ...

Deep watering does help a bit to bring your trees through a drought, but once you have given them a good deep watering, I think changing your watering method to using a constant drip works better.

As with most plants, the deep roots are just anchor roots. The feeder roots which take up moisture and nutrients are located closer to the surface.

During the four years of extreme drought in my part of California, I used a sprinkler set very low ... almost like a drip ... that I moved around under the canopy of my trees every day. I only had three trees I had to water on my property, so it was no big deal.

There is no way you can give your trees enough water to make them happy. A mature black oak .. one of the most common types of trees up here ... will take up 70 gallons of water PER DAY ! However, giving them some water every day does help.

My near neighbors have all lost trees. I didn't lose my trees and I haven't had any insect or disease problems. No, they didn't start looking better until this year even tho' we got 44 inches of rain last winter. It's going to take a few more wet winters before they really start coming back, but they are not dying.

I live in a county-of-origin for water for California. The State will be taking water from here for the continued drought for southern Ca, but at least I have enough water for my trees and the forest is looking better in my part of the state.
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Nov 26, 2016 9:13 AM CST
Name: Ginny G
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We have about 15 younger trees. Maybe I'll just turn the hose on low and slow water from the top. Thanks for the info Hurray! Hurray! Have a great day Lovey dubby
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Nov 26, 2016 9:37 AM CST
Name: Lyn
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Ginny ...

I think your trees will do better with a change in how you water. btw ... none of my near neighbors watered any of their trees during our drought ... Sad

I did keep my promise to myself not to water during the snow ... Big Grin

Watering during the winter months isn't as critical because all cellular activity within the plant / trees has slowed down. Your real work is when the soil starts to warm up.

Good luck with your trees.

PS ... you might want to check on the TREE FORUM. They know more about tree health than I do ... Smiling
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Nov 26, 2016 9:56 AM CST
Name: Ginny G
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Thanks Lyn. Normally we get a good Fall rain and I don't have to water before winter. Not so much this year. I'll plant my new bulbs I got first Whistling Whistling
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Nov 26, 2016 10:32 AM CST
Name: Lyn
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My bulbs are still waiting for me to feel better ... hehehehehe ....

Maybe next week after I fix the fence. No rain after today for a few days ...
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Nov 26, 2016 11:00 AM CST
Name: Agavegirl1
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Hi guys,

Sorry for my absence I've been profoundly busy doing my own little battles as well. I've been more then grumpy--just downright furious.

Family, and garden pests Sighing! . Let's add to this list my husband's friend that hangs around like a bad case of Herpes. Every time you think he'll go away he reappears with a vengeance.
Nicest, good hearted, most generous and kind dude in the world. Would do anything for you if you have a need or there's an emergency. We reciprocate on all accounts. I couldn't have asked for a better best friend for my husband.
But this is also a guy who thinks Planet of the Apes is a documentary. He's a bit passive-aggressive with me since all I have in common with him is the fact we breath oxygen Otherwise we are diametrically opposed in our points of view on everything one could conceivably be.
Thus conversation is polite, and generic and neutral: family, work, weather, hobbies, pets, food, t.v. shows, etc. We tread on eggshells so as not to upset the peace or each other. We go out of our way to be respectful.

Maybe he was having his own holiday crap to deal. Maybe he wanted to unload to release his pent up frustrations with his work, his wife, his kids, his relatives or whatever. All he had to do was say he had a bad day or frustrated or p.o'd about life in general. I would have been all too happy to listen and try to cheer him up.

Instead he thought picking a fight with me was a better way to release his pent up hostilities. He broke the peace treaty rule. He started in on 'THE ONE' hot topic that sends me into orbit.
When I asked him to skip the topic, he didn't. I'm sure he meant it jokingly when he told me to, "Go watch soaps on the t.v. in the other room or go outside and play with your plants. You're interrupting the half-time show." Glare

Before my husband could open his mouth I went off like a loose cannon on a wet deck. Finally took the filter off between the mouth and the brain and had a verbal vomit. Big Grin Punctuated my lengthy, highly opinionated tirade with, "This is my house! Get up, start walking, and DON'T let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!" Husband, was flabbergasted when I chased his friend out the door literally.

When husband regained his capacity for speech, the reply was, "I don't disagree with what you said in regards to a lot of things. He had it coming. I would have said something first--- IF you had waited a moment and gave me a second to respond.
But I couldn't get a word in edgewise over you and did you have to go all psycho and chase him out like a lunatic and throw his tennis shoes out the door? That was kind of mean. He's going to be afraid to come over now."

Seriously??? Blinking
Let's just say I found another pair of tennis shoes to throw. Whistling

Gee. It's been awful peaceful here. See, there's no football on t.v. so I'm not interrupting the half-time show. The husband and the ape man go over other friends to watch it.
Since I'm not cooking, cleaning, entertaining or straining to be polite to people I tolerate on my husband's behalf I am now able to hog the couch. I
monopolize the t.v. all day. I don't watch the soaps. I've been catching up on all of my Netflix stuff. Oh yeah...and I have plenty of time to play with my plants.

Family.
There's a reason I deliberately chose to live 2 time zones away. There's also a reason the only number they get is for a prepaid cell phone Thumbs up Problem solved. Not necessarily the way I wanted but simple facts prevail and reality sets in no matter how hard some facts are to accept. We all get along together when we're not bumping into one another on a regular basis or in constant contact.
It boiled down essentially to, "Do I want ulcers and no peace of mind, or do I want to achieve peace on Earth and peace of mind?"
Not a hard choice really. Just takes a few painful years to make one's self accept, make the changes and put themselves and their life first----for a change.

Plants..........
Arrrrrgh! Dealing with spider mite and/or some kind of fungus that is spreading like wildfire. Will be doing battle with that. Time to put on the hazmat suit, goggles and rubber gloves and break out the arsenal of 'professional' grade chemicals. Crossing Fingers!

They'll either be cured of killed. Not a whole lot one can do about spider mite or fungus except use professional grade chemicals by calling an exterminator or finding them (Do It Yourself Pest Control.com)

If not cured then I have to literally destroy all my plants, treat the dirt, wash and sanitize all my garden pots and tools and wash any towel, sheet, whatever I used to cover my plants. I'll also have to have the tree removed in my front yard as it is infected also.

In case you holiday wasn't surreal enough for you here's some 'Far Side' giggles I thought appropriate for this Thanks giving season.




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Nov 26, 2016 11:08 AM CST
Name: katie
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Oh, my. I have a stomach ache and my bank card won't give me any money. Does everyone know the short version of the Serenity Prayer. katie
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Nov 26, 2016 11:25 AM CST
Name: Ginny G
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I must say AgaveGirl1 you may be grumpy but you had me cracking up! Enjoy your peace and quiet Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!
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Nov 26, 2016 11:31 AM CST
Name: Anna Z.
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My sister cannot attend our extended family T'giving today.............so I raided the Greenhouse and made her a bouquet. The BOP had 2 blooms that just opened up a couple days ago. And I donated the WHOLE Vanda spike.............I want someone else to enjoy the beauty; it's not fair that I"m the only one. Soooo...........here, you grumpy peeps.............hope this helps a little. Sorry about it being kinda "bright"............there was too much sun out where I took the pic and the color isn't "right".

Hope things improve for you all!

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Nov 26, 2016 11:40 AM CST
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oh Anna!! Those are truly splendiferous!!! Thank you for sharing Thumbs up
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Nov 26, 2016 11:42 AM CST
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Name: Sandy B.
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Gorgeous bouquet, Anna! Smiling
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Nov 26, 2016 11:54 AM CST
Name: Betty
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Legalily said:I must say AgaveGirl1 you may be grumpy but you had me cracking up! Enjoy your peace and quiet Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!


I agree I agree
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