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Apr 24, 2016 3:58 PM CST
Name: Lloyd
Oregon
Region: Ukraine
At 30" should be tall bearded. How about Wild Apache? (Photos this site by Calif_Sue)
Saved photos look fuzzy. The ones at Wild Apache are better.
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Apr 24, 2016 8:52 PM CST
Name: Mary Ann
Western Kentucky (Zone 7a)
Bee Lover Irises Hummingbirder Hostas Keeps Horses Farmer
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I have grown Chickasaw Sue for many years. Cannot say for sure that that's what yours is. Here are some photos of mine:
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Apr 25, 2016 12:19 AM CST
Name: Sherry Austin
Santa Cruz, CA (Zone 9a)
Birds Bulbs Region: California Dragonflies Foliage Fan Irises
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Welcome! Robert
Thanks for joining this fun ittle family of Iris nuts.. er... I mean enthusiasts!

I've got to get my Chickasaw Sue into the ground.. that's a gorgeous clump Mary Ann! ... or maybe I should call it a drift.. just lovely!!
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Apr 25, 2016 4:57 AM CST
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Name: Robert & Cindy Grinder
Nashville TN (Zone 7a)
Thank you muddtmitts the more i see the more im covinced they are Chicasaw sue
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Apr 25, 2016 5:26 AM CST
Name: Bonnie Sojourner
Harris Brake Lake, Arkansas (Zone 7a)
Magnolia zone
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Welcome to the iris forum, Robert. Don't get convinced just yet. You are getting some great suggestions so when you think you have it narrowed down to several you can acquire a test plant to grow near yours and make a positive yes or no decision. It is time consuming but well worth the wait. In the meantime stick around, post all the photos you want and just have some iris fun. Eventually you will be able to find names for most of them. Good luck.
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Apr 25, 2016 5:36 AM CST
Name: Greg Hodgkinson
Hanover PA (Zone 6b)
Garden Photography Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises Region: Japan Region: Pennsylvania
Robertg

I am not convinced with the "Chicasaw Sue" identification. CS has more white wash in the Falls than your NoID. Of the three suggested, I think "Apache" is the closest fit. My feelings is that the correct one has yet to be found/suggested.

There are three prominent "Dirty Plicata"* hybridizers that come to mind; Gibson, Innerst, & Keppel.

Yours looks like a Gibson. Lots of things effect the plants "stature" and coloration. which can make it harder to identify.


* Dirty Plicata = I am not sure this is in the lexicon of the iris world. I used this with Rick Tasco and Roger Duncan when they were touring my garden to describe a large swath of Sterling Innerst's work.

A plicata historically referred to to a blue/white or purple/white combo. I think that most iris folks would conjure up that color combination when someone said "plicata". Gibson was the first to start working on a large scale with different color combinations for plicatas. Innerst followed next with his own conbinations. Currently Keppel is carrying this torch, with a good amount of his introductions in the "area" being IBs.
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Apr 25, 2016 5:47 AM CST
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Name: Robert & Cindy Grinder
Nashville TN (Zone 7a)
Fresh photos yall
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Apr 25, 2016 6:04 AM CST
Name: John
Kansas City,MO (Zone 6a)
Composter Region: Missouri Plays in the sandbox Enjoys or suffers cold winters
Good morning, Robert
I know it sounds like a lot of work to just identify an Iris, and it is. There is a reason for all this work. The primary reason is to make sure a mislabeled Iris doesn't get distributed. There are so many Iris out there labeled 'x' when they are really 'y'. Most growers, both professional and private, do what they can to not distribute a misnamed Iris. I sell some Iris on eBay and I have quite a few that I believe are correctly labeled but don't distribute because they did not come from a recognised commercial grower. They go to the NOID bed and and go out as NOID. Not even a 'looks like' gets mentioned in the auction.
It may sound a little snobish at first, it did to me. But once you see what kind of effort goes into maintening integrity of iris it will make better sense.
I started a thread called Show Us Your NOIDs' so we can post pictures of some very pretty Iris who are nameless. We have just learned to love them and leave it at that. There is one fameous NOID Red that some have that is just georgious, but nameless.
So I guess what folks are saying is really enjoy the ones you have and when you buy new Iris go to an established growers site.

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Apr 25, 2016 7:45 AM CST
Name: Mary Ann
Western Kentucky (Zone 7a)
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I don't know Robert -- your Iris looks *pinker* than my Chickasaw Sue. My pictures are accurate for color -- there's a lot of *brown* in Chickasaw Sue.

Are your pictures accurate for color?
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Apr 25, 2016 10:10 AM CST
South central PA (Zone 6a)
Irises Region: Pennsylvania
Welcome Robert to this group of avid, or is it rabid, fans of iris of all types; it can be addictive.

Frills tend to date an iris in the "modern" times so within the last 30-35 years or so; that limits you to 1000's to look at. All good advice given already so that number will shrink fast, especially the side-by-side comparison once the possibilities are narrowed down. It is easier to tell what an iris is NOT compared to what it IS. Good luck with finding their names and keep us posted.
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Apr 25, 2016 10:17 AM CST
Name: Jane H.
Kentucky (Zone 6b)
Birds Region: Kentucky Clematis Daylilies Irises Region: United States of America
Welcome! Robert and Cindy.
You have lots of experts there in Tennessee from the Region 7 AIS group from all over and a good resource near at Eagleville, TN and from Rockytop at the other end of TN. Many active folks in Dyersburg and surrounding places.
You will enjoy this forum and learn a lot as well as be entertained by the banter.
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Apr 25, 2016 11:52 AM CST
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Name: Robert & Cindy Grinder
Nashville TN (Zone 7a)
Ok lets see Mary ann how can i check my photo for color accuracy. I believe they are . Confused
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Apr 25, 2016 1:46 PM CST
Name: Sherry Austin
Santa Cruz, CA (Zone 9a)
Birds Bulbs Region: California Dragonflies Foliage Fan Irises
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I was thinking the same thing with the last batch of pictures... Very pretty, but more pinkish tones than 'Chickasaw Sue'.
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Apr 26, 2016 9:05 AM CST
Name: Mary Ann
Western Kentucky (Zone 7a)
Bee Lover Irises Hummingbirder Hostas Keeps Horses Farmer
Daylilies I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Container Gardener Cat Lover Region: Kentucky Birds
Just visually, Robert. The question is: does the color of your photo accurately reflect the color of your Iris? What I was saying is that my photos that I used above do accurately reflect the actual color of my Chickasaw Sue. Some cameras have trouble with reds. Or blues. Or purples. Etc. So if your camera has trouble with a given color, then your pictures wouldn't accurately reflect the actual color of an Iris in that color range. Does that make sense? Or is this jibberty-jab? Whistling
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Apr 26, 2016 1:59 PM CST
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Name: Robert & Cindy Grinder
Nashville TN (Zone 7a)
Yes Mary ann when i hold the pic next to the bloom they are the same. I niticed mine have a stronger purple on the down the first day then the ruffle starts turning that pinkish or is it peach to match the stand. So yes my color is correct. Whew this is fun. So when is a accurate age to photograph for mature color
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Apr 26, 2016 5:56 PM CST
South central PA (Zone 6a)
Irises Region: Pennsylvania
Many blossoms change as they mature. I am not aware of any "standard" time to take the pictures. One I grow has such a change that I got an email that I was wrong in my id; then I sent a pic of same plant at 3rd day and presto, now it matched what that person was expecting. When I find that happening I take photos of day 1 and day 3 at least.
Continued luck with the quest for id's.
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Apr 26, 2016 8:08 PM CST
Name: Barbalee
Amarillo, TX (Zone 6b)
I'm new to irises, @Robertgirisman, and I'm enjoying reading what you're learning. Good luck with the no id (noid) identification! I wrote it that way since it took me a while to figure out what a "noid" is!
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Apr 27, 2016 5:09 AM CST
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Name: Robert & Cindy Grinder
Nashville TN (Zone 7a)
i have had lots of my iris bloom in the last couple days i am posting in the noid site this morning they are beautiful please check them out i am so proud of them .thank you DaveinPa that chicasaw or Apache is a hard one u also have kittke purple but it refuses to photo purple its like it wants to b blue. nodding
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Apr 27, 2016 3:01 PM CST
Name: Bonnie Sojourner
Harris Brake Lake, Arkansas (Zone 7a)
Magnolia zone
Region: United States of America Region: Arkansas Master Gardener: Arkansas Irises Plant and/or Seed Trader Moon Gardener
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Barbalee said: .........Good luck with the no id (noid) identification! I wrote it that way since it took me a while to figure out what a "noid" is!


Barbalee, I got a bonus rhizome from an iris sale and it was named unk white. It took me a long while, and I was not pleased, to figure out that unk meant unknown. DUH! I looked and looked for an iris with unk in the name.
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Apr 27, 2016 3:03 PM CST
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Region: California Garden Ideas: Level 1
Hilarious!

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