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Sep 2, 2016 11:25 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
In practice, it will be very few and only occur AS I find things in my Seed Stash. And if I have more than one packet, I'll probably just drop them into the pool and mention it to the original wish-er.

I agree it should not be done a lot. Thanks!
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Sep 2, 2016 11:32 AM CST
Southeast OK (Zone 7b)
Well, if I accidentally bid on it, I'll be more than happy to donate to the intended recipient. Please let me know if I do. Seeds are plenty here and for the rest of the season so there is really no need for me not to donate it back. Smiling
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Sep 2, 2016 11:40 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
Probably the best answer is to either
get it into the list well before the start time (too late for that!) so everyone has time to put stars on it, and then the most motivated person gets it,
- or -
if it goes in late in the trading as mine will, after everyone has extra tickets burning a hole in their pockets, to give the original wish-list-er a little heads up so that, if they ARE still eager to get that particular thing, they have a chance to get it before someone not-so-eager grabs it because they saw it first.

And the whole issue is moot where I only wrote down "white cherry tomato", and not WHO wanted that.
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Sep 2, 2016 12:00 PM CST
Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
Daylilies Dog Lover Houseplants Organic Gardener I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Garden Ideas: Level 2
Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Rick, I had to catch myself. I was going to say that I think you're over-thinking it...but then, I hate when people tell me that I'm (happens a lot, as I'm sure it does with you, too). It is my belief that 99% of the time when someone says "you're over-thinking it", either 1) they don't understand the importance of the situation; or, 2) they are thinking I'm putting more thought into it than I really am and don't realize that I'm just talking things out loud, not really sitting in turmoil over the situation as they perceive me to be.

Sooooo....that said, I'm sure you're not over-thinking it, but you did make me chuckle. Hilarious! Big Grin
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Sep 2, 2016 12:23 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
Confused

Gee, if I'm NOT over-thinking it, then that's the first thing in 60+ years that I HAVEN'T over-thought. I must be slipping.

I think that people of different psychological types just have different tendencies, inclinations, desires and even values.

Being told that I go too far into the details has no effect but to make me wonder why ANYONE would ever dive less deeply into the minutest details than their ability and time permit.

But apparently the world is made up of 90-98% people who DON'T relish, delight in, cherish and value most highly all the lovely, finicky details that I so love. Inexplicable! Confused But true. Sighing!

Fortunately, it's easy for me to understand the inexplicable way that most people let their eyes glaze over and walk away just when the discussion gets interesting (down to the nitty-gritty details that actually control everything and answer most questions).

They shake their heads in dismay at what I do, the same way that I shake my head in confusion and dismay when they turn their back on "the good stuff" and accept some generalization or rule of thumb lacking detailed any "why" and "how" at the molecular level.

Confused Confused Confused
How can they feel that way?
Confused Confused Confused

As if all that mattered were getting some job done, not probing the Universe's infinite variety and detail down to the ultimate underlying physical reality, at which level everything makes sense, even if "the real world" is so complicated that generalizations and rules of thumb are the only fast way to get the cows milked and the higs slopped.

But where's the fun in that?

I think it is valuable to remember that, when we tell someone ELSE that they are doing too much of something, or not enough of something, what we are really saying is that WE don't value the way THEY think, and that what they enjoy and value most highly is unimportant.

If we remembered instead to pay attention to the details, we would remember that we really MEANT was that we don't UNDERSTAND your way of thinking and why it is "valid" or sometimes has uses, or that different people DO have different values, even if we look at their values and disagree, or can't even conceive of how someone COULD value those things, instead of the things that we "know" are "really" important.

Such things are seldom or never "right or wrong". They are more like "my personality type differs from your personality type, and I don't understand how or why anyone could be different from me".

When we remember that detail, we can communicate without offending or dissing each other.

(That rant has been building up for 15-20 years, both online and in person. It's not directed at this discussion, it's really directed at something that happened in DG many years ago. Someone asked how many square feet there were in their rectangular raised bed. I converted the feet-plus-inches to decimal-feet and multiplied Width X Length, and gave the answer. Maybe my mistake was in showing my work. Someone complained that this elementary-school-level math was "too technical" and too much detail. That's been like a pebble lodged in my brain for many years. I guess with 52,000 members, not even in ATP/NGA can everyone be happy all the time.)
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Sep 2, 2016 12:35 PM CST
Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
Daylilies Dog Lover Houseplants Organic Gardener I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Garden Ideas: Level 2
RickCorey said:
Such things are seldom or never "right or wrong". They are more like "my personality type differs from your personality type, and I don't understand how or why anyone could be different from me".


When we remember that detail, we can communicate without offending or dissing each other.


Yes, yes, and more yes. nodding



RickCorey said:
(That rant has been building up for 15-20 years, both online and in person. It's not directed at this discussion, it's really directed at something that happened in DG many years ago. Someone asked how many square feet there were in their rectangular raised bed. I converted the feet-plus-inches to decimal-feet and multiplied Width X Length, and gave the answer. Maybe my mistake was in showing my work. Someone complained that this elementary-school-level math was "too technical" and too much detail. That's been like a pebble lodged in my brain for many years. I guess with 52,000 members, not even in ATP/NGA can everyone be happy all the time.)



Sorry to hear about that. Glare I get those things that stick with me, too. With very poignant events, there's a circle that runs around in my head that goes a little something like this:
1) stew over if for awhile
2) eventually get over it
3) 'forget about it'
4) re-remember it at some strange and awkward time...often when I'm engaged in something else so the filter part of my brain that would normally control my motor functions has fewer resources and then I start saying something outloud or visibly cringing at the memory. This usually presents itself as me saying "Oh!" or "Well,..." and then I have to come up with the rest of the sentence to act like I was meaning to talk outloud and get my husband's attention about something. *Blush* Big Grin Hilarious!

...am I alone here? Rolling my eyes.
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Sep 2, 2016 2:34 PM CST
Name: Elena
NYC (Zone 7a)
Bee Lover Vegetable Grower Plant and/or Seed Trader Spiders! Seed Starter Garden Procrastinator
Peonies Organic Gardener Orchids Irises Hybridizer Composter
Rick & DND,
I get it! Not that people tell me I overthink (they'd get a withering look & sarcastic comment. I am a New Yorker!). But I get how differences in temperament can make communication difficult at best.

At my old job they let you do MSTB (??) training. It analyzes your personality type. There were about 10 of us there and we split evenly into two groups I'll name Spocks (from Star Trek) & Touchy-Feelies. I was a Spock.

Then they gave each group a task. You ran a company and needed to downsize by 10%. How do you do it? Us Spocks had it figured out in no time. I was getting annoyed at how long the others were taking. But they finally finished too. Then we each presented our course of action.

The Spocks were very logical and data-driven. Find the dept with the least value and let them go.

The Touchy-Feelies suggested bringing the situation to the employees and getting their buy-in and suggestions.

We Spocks were shocked! We never considered that AT ALL!

Then we each had to say where we fell short compared to the other team. We Spocks admitted that taking feelings into account and asking for suggestions to increase productivity without layoffs was a good idea. The Touchy-Feelies admitted they needed to be more like us because it would be YEARS before they felt like they could act because they were so concerned with making sure everyone was "heard". We both realized that for any major decisions it's best to have teams made up of ALL personality types because each has different strengths/weaknesses.

Really was an eye opener for me and changed how I lived my life. Every different type of person has tremendous value even if you can't understand where they are coming from.
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Sep 2, 2016 3:12 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
>> We both realized that for any major decisions it's best to have teams made up of ALL personality types because each has different strengths/weaknesses.

>> Every different type of person has tremendous value even if you can't understand where they are coming from.

Amen!

>> Really was an eye opener for me and changed how I lived my life.

That part is still an ongoing effort for me. When I notice my jaw hanging open and my head shaking with incomprehension, I remind myself that they are DIFFERENT from me. (Or I am DIFFERENT from them.) So we all do things, think, feel and value differently. So? We SHOULD NOT even be surprised, yet it remains hard for me to remember (and to fully realize) HOW different everyone is from everyone else.

Maybe it would be easier for us slow ones if all detail-people had purple antennae and Coke-bottle glasses and pocket protectors. We used to carry slide rules! Maybe feeling-people could always carry teddy bears or unicorns. But I suspect we would still not UNDERSTAND each other until enough of those "opposite tendencies" take root in ourselves. Then we could RECOGNIZE what's going on in someone else as "being like, but stronger than" something that we have really FELT inside ourselves.

But the book that introduced me to this idea claimed that even highly trained psychiatrists seldom really "feel" how patients with personality types opposite to their own, really feel internally. Their training has taught them how to deduce and analyze things about them, but "it takes someone of the SAME type to deeply understand people OF that type".

At one place I worked, we had a similar training that divided people into 4 (or was it 16?) different types. There was a four-letter acronym for each type. It seemed a little like "doing horoscopes" but did come up with some useful distinctions.

Then our boss used the info in the clumsiest way possible, forcing people to sit next to each other if they had "matching types", whether or not they hated each other and worked on unrelated projects, or some needed quiet and some needed to talk loudly on the phone.

I think the most useful part was just realizing that we are as different psychologically as we differ in eye color and height. The analysis drove that knowledge "home" so that it was more like "understanding" than "something speculative that I read in a book".

Boy, am I ever glad that I named this the OFF-TOPIC chat thread! Despite being detail-detailed-detailing-oriented, I can't stay on topic worth beans.

Speaking of which, some of what I added recently were beans:

R: Runner Bean (Phaseolus coccineus 'Painted Lady')
S: Snap Bean (String (Phaseolus vulgaris 'White Half Runner')
S: Snap Bean (String (Phaseolus vulgaris 'Earliserve')
T: Trailing Wild Bean (Strophostyles helvola) "Fuzzy Bean Vine" courtesty of piksihk
W: Wax Bean (Phaseolus vulgaris 'Dragon Tongue')
W: Wax Bean (Phaseolus vulgaris 'Pencil Pod Black Wax')
Y: Yardlong Bean (Vigna unguiculata 'Qing-Long')

Sometimes I love common names. "Bean" is four species and three genuses, at least!
And the detailed common names alphabetize into at least 5 different places!

(It may be arguable that any discussion of seeds is OFF topic in the "off-topic chat thread", but we shall see if the rubber billy club comes out today ... at least we don't have any emojii yet for "thwack, thwack, thaaa-whak!)
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Sep 2, 2016 3:22 PM CST
Highlands Ranch, Colorado (Zone 5b)
Colorado Zone 5
Container Gardener Herbs Plant and/or Seed Trader Vegetable Grower Enjoys or suffers cold winters
>>Boy, am I ever glad that I named this the OFF-TOPIC chat thread! Despite being detail-detailed-detailing-oriented, I can't stay on topic worth beans.

Well you're on topic since it's off topic chat nodding

>>Speaking of which, some of what I added recently were beans:

R: Runner Bean (Phaseolus coccineus 'Painted Lady')
S: Snap Bean (String (Phaseolus vulgaris 'White Half Runner')
S: Snap Bean (String (Phaseolus vulgaris 'Earliserve')
T: Trailing Wild Bean (Strophostyles helvola) "Fuzzy Bean Vine" courtesty of piksihk
W: Wax Bean (Phaseolus vulgaris 'Dragon Tongue')
W: Wax Bean (Phaseolus vulgaris 'Pencil Pod Black Wax')
Y: Yardlong Bean (Vigna unguiculata 'Qing-Long')

This I saw instantly and there all on my wish list!!! Whistling



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Sep 2, 2016 3:25 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
I love it when seeds find takers!

(As we used to say in Ella's Hog Wild Seed Swap: there I go, pimpin' my seeds again!)


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Sep 2, 2016 4:16 PM CST
Southeast OK (Zone 7b)
I love that this is off topic. Very interesting. But I have a question. What do the people who are so logical it hurts yet they also have the very great need to make sure everyone is heard as well?

Like Elena, the spock side of me would handle this first and I would have chose as you did. Then, after thinking it to death, my teddy bear side steps in and says oh, we have to think of others. Perhaps they will come to a better conclusion. Although, my spock side will never (and never is a long time) deal with people who don't see the obvious logical solution. I have tried for years to change that part of me. I can't. I'm ashamed of it but I just get to that point with people. It would never do to put me in a workspace with someone I do not like nor cannot deal with logically. At least if I like the person, I can handle them not being as logical as I am. If I don't like them, they better have logic about them so that I can at least relate to them on some level. If I don't like them and they are not a logical person, I will ignore them and work on peacefully. Nothing accomplished on that end.

Sometimes, we have the best conversations. Smiling
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Sep 2, 2016 4:55 PM CST
Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
Daylilies Dog Lover Houseplants Organic Gardener I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Garden Ideas: Level 2
Karen, you and I are two peas from the same pod. Or runner, anyway... Hilarious!
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Sep 2, 2016 5:00 PM CST
Southeast OK (Zone 7b)
Rolling on the floor laughing Thank You!
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Sep 2, 2016 5:01 PM CST
Name: Jim D
East Central Indiana (Zone 5b)
Annuals Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge) Garden Procrastinator Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Native Plants and Wildflowers Region: Indiana
Hummingbirder Frogs and Toads Dragonflies Cottage Gardener Butterflies Birds
You all realize , I am reading these . getting about half of all this being said ,, Blinking D'Oh!

Because where I am at ,,, Tick,, tock , tick , tock , tic , tic ,, tic ,,,, Hilarious!
In the Butterfly garden if a plant is not chewed up I feel like a failure
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Sep 2, 2016 5:02 PM CST
Southeast OK (Zone 7b)
Um, I think this actually starts tomorrow. No treasure boxes here.
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Sep 2, 2016 5:03 PM CST
Name: Val
Near Boston, MA (Zone 6a)
No, in another hour
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Sep 2, 2016 5:04 PM CST
Southeast OK (Zone 7b)
Really? I thought it was 6pm my time. Sigh, I'm too anxious, lol.
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Sep 2, 2016 5:06 PM CST
Southeast OK (Zone 7b)
I guess this means I have to go back to making seed packets.
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Sep 2, 2016 5:06 PM CST
Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
Daylilies Dog Lover Houseplants Organic Gardener I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Garden Ideas: Level 2
I was remembering the time from the last swap, but the last swap was after daylight savings time...which I think affected it. I'll have to be dibbign on my phone because hubby and I need to go somewhere before sunset. See you all in the dibbing 'arena' in an hour!
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Sep 2, 2016 5:08 PM CST
Name: Jim D
East Central Indiana (Zone 5b)
Annuals Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge) Garden Procrastinator Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Native Plants and Wildflowers Region: Indiana
Hummingbirder Frogs and Toads Dragonflies Cottage Gardener Butterflies Birds
uh , huh / Confused tic , tic , tic tic , tic , tic tic , tic , tic tic , tic , tic tic , tic , tic tic , tic , tic tic , tic , tic tic , tic , tic tic , tic , tic tic , tic , tic tic , tic , tic tic , tic , tic ...

And then ,,, And Then ,, If it is really tomorrow !!! Confused Crying Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Sighing!
In the Butterfly garden if a plant is not chewed up I feel like a failure

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