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Jun 8, 2016 2:09 AM CST
Name: Sharlene Sutter
St. Gallen - Switzerland (Zone 6a)
Garden Ideas: Level 1
Neal your roses are looking great!! Isn't it just wonderful to walk around the garden at this time of the year? Always something new to see ....
Double Delight - yesterday and today
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Samaritan - yesterday and today
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This is one of my own roses - 'Verian' - yesterday and today
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NOID Pink, Alexander, Bonica, Brown Velvet
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Doris Tysterman, Sunsprite, Goldelse, Hanky Panky
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Hot Chocolate (Simpson), Koko Loco, Little Artist, Florist rose from cutting
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Speaking of Moore's Red Fairy - I bought a little rose labelled as 'Rote Fairy' last year and assumed it was Moore's mini but now I am not so sure. The first blooms last year seem to have had more petals and it was really more pink that red but so are both the pics in the data base. I am going to have to compare again as soon as it blooms this year. Mine also roots very easily and layered itself so now I have two. However it did get a bit of black spot the end of last season Glare
What do you think - could it be Moore's 'Red Fairy'?
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Jun 8, 2016 4:18 AM CST
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
Bulbs Charter ATP Member Cottage Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises Roses
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Ideas: Level 2
My Red Fairy typically looks more pinkish than true red too. The leaves and bud formation in your photos looks like a match to mine.

Great coloring on your browns! Is Koko Loko what you were hoping for? I really like it! Samaritan is gorgeous and I love the brightness of Goldelse!
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
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Jun 8, 2016 6:21 AM CST
Name: Sharlene Sutter
St. Gallen - Switzerland (Zone 6a)
Garden Ideas: Level 1
Thanks Neal. 'Rote Fairy' is listed as a synonym for 'Red Fairy' but I wasn't 100% sure. It is also listed as being very resistant but as I said it got BS - a bit was maybe a bit of an understatement. I did do a copper/oil winterspray so maybe it will perform a little better this year.

Koko Loco (I edited the 'K' in Loko - my mistake) is more than I hoped for!!! I have had Julia's Rose for a couple of year's and love the colour! Koko Loco is very similar just a bit bigger and with more petals. I am waiting for JR to open so that I can compare fragrance - I can't remember the scent on Julia's Rose. (That's what happens once you've turned 50 - you are forewarned Hilarious! )
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Jun 8, 2016 8:14 AM CST
Name: Taqiyyah
Maryland (Zone 7a)
Bee Lover Vegetable Grower Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Salvias Roses
Region: Maryland Region: Mid-Atlantic Container Gardener Winter Sowing
Here's Molineux yesterday evening. I tried to take a picture of South Africa, but the color didn't come true.

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Jun 8, 2016 10:03 AM CST
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
Bulbs Charter ATP Member Cottage Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises Roses
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Ideas: Level 2
Now that you mention it, I think I may have seen some blackspot on Red Fairy in the past, but I believe it is typically just the older leaves and the new leaves and blooms have usually obscured the spotty leaves by the time they start shedding. Glad Koko Loco is performing so beautifully- I think that one may have to live here next spring! Oh I didn't have to wait for 50 for that goofiness to set in, I've been doing it for 10 years already Rolling on the floor laughing

Taqiyya, that is rich, beautiful color developing there! You mentioned that you were expecting more yellow, does it effect your garden design negatively? I'm going to watch Teasing Georgia for a year before I decide if it should be moved. These first blooms were during warm, muggy, wet conditions, and now we're in a stretch of sunny, cooler, and dry days. I'm interested to see how this may change the color as current buds open. I've got a perfect alternative spot for it, and that would leave a place open to try another yellow Austin.
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
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Jun 8, 2016 11:04 AM CST
Name: Taqiyyah
Maryland (Zone 7a)
Bee Lover Vegetable Grower Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Salvias Roses
Region: Maryland Region: Mid-Atlantic Container Gardener Winter Sowing
It doesn't affect the design negatively, but actually I was surprised by how peachy-apricot it is this year. Last year (first and only bloom) it was more buttery, but not the bright yellow of Nacogdoches. I've almost forgotten what a true yellow rose looks like, lol.
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Jun 8, 2016 11:21 AM CST
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
Bulbs Charter ATP Member Cottage Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises Roses
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Ideas: Level 2
I've seen a big difference in Solero from first blooms to those that are opening now. The first were solid bright, clear yellow, the current blooms are yellow in the center, lightening to white toward the edges. Today I noted that Nacogdoches has only lightened slightly in the sun and is holding its bright color well.

Sunsprite is bright, clear yellow and doesn't fade, but unfortunately I think that's just because the blooms blast open pretty fast and don't last long. It has a nice fragrance though, and it carries sweetly in a breeze. It doesn't seem as winter hardy as most of my other roses and would probably be happier in zone 7 or higher.
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
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Jun 8, 2016 11:59 AM CST
Name: Sharlene Sutter
St. Gallen - Switzerland (Zone 6a)
Garden Ideas: Level 1
Goofiness - nice way to look at it Smiling

Neal, you are right about Sunsprite blowing quickly - such a pity! Arthur Bell does it too but fades quickly as well. Both are very fragrant and I wouldn't be without either.
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Jun 8, 2016 6:01 PM CST
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Sages Garden Ideas: Level 1
Lovely photos, Sharlene. I looked up the lineage of Carruth's 'Hanky Panky' because I was only familiar with Bennett's rose and I really like the lineage of the seed parent. If I were playing around with breeding, I would be tempted to play with that rose. It's got some good stuff in it ... Smiling

Taqiyyah, 'Molineux' has always been on my wish list, but never made it to my garden. I do like the color in the photo you uploaded.

My roses are putting on new foliage, but still look rather dreadful. I would not dare post a photo for a while.

Thanks for sharing ... I tip my hat to you.
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
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Jun 8, 2016 6:51 PM CST
Name: Margie
NY (Zone 7a)
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Good evening from Long Island New York. Wanted to share some new photos with you.






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Jun 8, 2016 6:54 PM CST
Name: Margie
NY (Zone 7a)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Photo Contest Winner 2020 Garden Ideas: Level 1
Here's a few more photos from my garden
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Jun 8, 2016 7:02 PM CST
Moderator
Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
Region: Ukraine Charter ATP Member Region: California Cat Lover Roses Clematis
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Just fabulous, Margie! I especially love the photos of Betty Boop, Reine des Violettes, and the doggy.
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Jun 8, 2016 7:18 PM CST
Name: Margie
NY (Zone 7a)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Photo Contest Winner 2020 Garden Ideas: Level 1
Thank you Zuzu. The last 2 photos of "The Yellow" is from Ludwig's in Arizona. I would like to add the photos of this hybrid tea to the database. It is a non fading yellow and lasts a very long time. It's color is a rich solid yellow similar to Midas Touch. The flower itself is about 3 inches in diameter. It is a very durable. I say that because after I planted it, a raccoon (?) dug it up 4 times and dragging it into nearby woods. I replanted it 4 times. Believe me, it's a survivor! It is also suitable for partial shade locations according to Ludwig's.
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Jun 8, 2016 8:05 PM CST
Moderator
Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
Region: Ukraine Charter ATP Member Region: California Cat Lover Roses Clematis
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I see you found the new entry while I was checking the South Africa site to see whether it had any more information. It didn't. Where did you see the shade-tolerant info? Their height descriptions still crack me up. Shoulder height, indeed! Whose shoulder?
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Jun 8, 2016 8:17 PM CST
Name: Margie
NY (Zone 7a)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Photo Contest Winner 2020 Garden Ideas: Level 1
I called them inquiring about shade tolerant roses and they emailed a list as follows:


"Beauty from within and The Yellow will perform well in partial shade - (please note that without direct sunlight the red/pink outer rim of Beauty from Within will be far less pronounced)


Other varieties that will do well in partial shade are;
South Africa
Ruffled Feathers
Easy does it
Elina
Firefighter
Arctic Ice
Beverly
Get Lucky
Lucky You
Lucky Me
Perfumed Breeze
Gulilah
Count Dracula
The Ridge"
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Jun 8, 2016 8:28 PM CST
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Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
Region: Ukraine Charter ATP Member Region: California Cat Lover Roses Clematis
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I'm going to take their recommendations with a grain of salt because all of their experience is in South Africa and Arizona, where shade is usually bright shade. I have that same type of climate here, and although I grow many of my roses in the shade, I wouldn't advise people in colder zones to grow hybrid teas in partial shade. Most hybrid musks and some other roses will do well in partial shade in any location, but other roses typically will produce fewer blooms, and blooms that are smaller than the usual size, under those circumstances.
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Jun 8, 2016 8:32 PM CST
Name: Margie
NY (Zone 7a)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Photo Contest Winner 2020 Garden Ideas: Level 1
Zuzu, the above list is for "partial shade". Both The Yellow and Spiced Coffee were delivered in good condition.
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Jun 8, 2016 8:32 PM CST
Moderator
Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
Region: Ukraine Charter ATP Member Region: California Cat Lover Roses Clematis
Irises Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier Garden Sages Plant Database Moderator Garden Ideas: Master Level
Yes, I understood that it was for partial shade.
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Jun 8, 2016 8:33 PM CST
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
Bulbs Charter ATP Member Cottage Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises Roses
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Ideas: Level 2
Gorgeous roses and photos Margie! The white tipped with hot pink with the Bishops weed in the background is stunning.
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
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Jun 8, 2016 8:35 PM CST
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
Bulbs Charter ATP Member Cottage Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises Roses
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Ideas: Level 2
Zuzu, how are your Ludwigs roses doing?
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi

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