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Jun 29, 2016 9:49 PM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Ford River Twp, Michigan UP (Zone 4b)
(Zone 4b-maybe 5a)
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I've never noticed any fermentation odor when I've opened the wet bags of potting soil -- probably too cold here in the early spring (when I buy most of it) to do any fermenting! Hilarious!
“Think occasionally of the suffering of which you spare yourself the sight." ~ Albert Schweitzer
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Jun 30, 2016 10:49 AM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
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I had several really stinky ones from HD before I stopped buying bags there. Warm weather, soggy organics - yuck.

But it wouldn't matter for bark-used-as-mulch. The alcohols and organic acids would evaporate, or be washed out and diluted by rain. I think I have a lot to learn about growing vegetables in containers - like almost everything.
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Jun 30, 2016 10:51 AM CST
Name: Brenden Reinhart
Flushing Michigan (Zone 6b)
Not to be alarming everyone, but she hasn't replied to this post once yet. Just an FYI.
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Jun 30, 2016 11:24 AM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
bhart90 said:Not to be alarming everyone, but she hasn't replied to this post once yet. Just an FYI.


I've seen that a lot in this "Ask a Question" forum. The OP tosses out a question and then either never comes back, or doesn't post. Too bad, because almost every question-and-answer needs more information from the asker before the answerers can give a useful answer. Maybe they don't like to come back and have to say "none of that was useful to me", or take the questions from us as criticism of their question.

My guess is that whatever links lead new members towards this forum, they emphasize the ease of asking, and don't say things like "you have to give enough details that the question CAN be answered", or "Your question will often draw out some requests that you clarify or give more details, so you might have to post more than once.

I think it is a sign of the times that only 1/2 of the askers ever respond to return questions or even say "thank you". Courtesy is out of fashion. Maybe people new to online forums don't realize that it usually takes some back-and-froth just to establish enough background to answer something.

I often saw this in technical forums for software: if the person asking the question HAD ALREADY KNOWN what all the factors were that the answerers needed to know in order to answer it, that person wouldn't have needed to ask the question.

(Was that grammatical?)

Once I realized that (for software), I realized that I could usually answer my own questions. First, I had to type up a "pretend email" asking the question. Then I would expand the email, trying to anticipate every question they would ask me, in order to be able to give an informed answer. I would try to anticipate the tests they would suggest to narrow down the answer. Three times out of four, by the time I finished thinking up (and writing down) all the details, I would have an "AHA!" experience and guess the answer.

For some reason, writing things down often made clear to me what my confusion was, or what I was overlooking. If I just thought to myself, I would cruise right past the answer without seeing it. It also helped to imagine a crowd of skeptical people reading over my shoulder. When I wrote down something dubious that I agreed with, I would imagine someone else saying "Oh yeah? How do you know that?"

Truly: if you know enough about a subject to ask really good questions, you probably already know enough to answer them.

That's why any "Ask a Question" forum has to use the Socratic method, where the supposedly knowledgeable people have to ask 20 complicated questions in order to answer WELL one simple question.

There is supposed to be a Chinese proverb that even the wisest sage can be stumped by a question from a newbie.

My theory is that simple questions often have complicated answers.
But a really, really detailed question might indeed have a clear, simple answer.
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Jun 30, 2016 6:27 PM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Ford River Twp, Michigan UP (Zone 4b)
(Zone 4b-maybe 5a)
Charter ATP Member Bee Lover Butterflies Birds I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
Seed Starter Vegetable Grower Greenhouse Region: United States of America Region: Michigan Enjoys or suffers cold winters
Yes, unfortunately it isn't uncommon for the original new-member poster to never be heard from again; but that's never stopped us from carrying on a discussion about the pros and cons of whatever the question was... Big Grin
“Think occasionally of the suffering of which you spare yourself the sight." ~ Albert Schweitzer
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Jun 30, 2016 6:54 PM CST
Name: Rita
North Shore, Long Island, NY
Zone 6B
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Weedwhacker said:Yes, unfortunately it isn't uncommon for the original new-member poster to never be heard from again; but that's never stopped us from carrying on a discussion about the pros and cons of whatever the question was... Big Grin


We always have a nice discussion and hopefully someone is reading that might benefit.
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Jun 30, 2016 9:08 PM CST
Name: Carol Roberts
Huntington Beach, CA (Zone 10b)
Sunset 24
Annuals Container Gardener Dog Lover Foliage Fan
I read them and learn a lot, even when I didn't understand the original question. People who only show up once and then go away are only tourists, anyway.
Can't complain too loud about how the ball bounces when I'm the one who dropped it.
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Jul 1, 2016 3:41 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
One good thing about a very vague question: almost any answer that interests the answerer is on-topic until some clarification is posted.

And maybe the answers to vague questions are more useful to future readers than specific questions: readers find out what all the relevant factors are when people try to narrow down the question enough to answer something.
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Jul 1, 2016 3:47 PM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
In FL, they call them "Snowbirds", Carol. Whistling
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

The reason it's so hard to lose weight when you get up in age is because your body and your fat have become good friends.
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Jul 1, 2016 3:49 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
In New England, Fall tourists are called "Leafy Watchers".

On Cape Cod, tourists are called "@#$%@###@#### tourists!", despite being a very major part of the Cape's economy.
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Jul 1, 2016 3:50 PM CST
Name: Karen
New Mexico (Zone 8a)
Region: New Mexico Region: Arizona Region: Ukraine Cactus and Succulents Plant Identifier Plays in the sandbox
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Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing We have the snowbirds here in AZ too. Now that the summer heat is here, it's all much less crowded and the traffic is much better.
Handcrafted Coastal Inspired Art SeaMosaics!
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Jul 1, 2016 3:57 PM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
My son lives in Sarasota and works in Tampa. He counts the days when the snowbirds all flock back to their northern homes. nodding
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

The reason it's so hard to lose weight when you get up in age is because your body and your fat have become good friends.
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Jul 1, 2016 4:15 PM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Ford River Twp, Michigan UP (Zone 4b)
(Zone 4b-maybe 5a)
Charter ATP Member Bee Lover Butterflies Birds I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
Seed Starter Vegetable Grower Greenhouse Region: United States of America Region: Michigan Enjoys or suffers cold winters
LOL, we have "fudgies" (reference to Mackinac Island fudge, I guess), and leaf peepers...

The best thing about winter is that the summer tourists and the snowbirds have gone elsewhere... our road systems are not very well set up for lots of people!
“Think occasionally of the suffering of which you spare yourself the sight." ~ Albert Schweitzer
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Jul 1, 2016 4:32 PM CST
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4b)
Annuals Native Plants and Wildflowers Keeps Horses Dog Lover Daylilies Region: Canadian
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RickCorey said:I had several really stinky ones from HD before I stopped buying bags there. Warm weather, soggy organics - yuck

But it wouldn't matter for bark-used-as-mulch. The alcohols and organic acids would evaporate, or be washed out and diluted by rain. I think I have a lot to learn about growing vegetables in containers - like almost everything.


It's useful to be aware of the so-called "toxic mulch", though, as explained in these articles:

http://msue.anr.msu.edu/news/t...
https://www.uaex.edu/publicati...
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Jul 1, 2016 4:35 PM CST
Name: greene
Savannah, GA (Sunset 28) (Zone 8b)
I have no use for internet bullies!
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Since every post may trigger an alert to the original poster I will stay make an effort to stay on topic.

Like the OP, I am also on a very limited budget so I buy things when they are on super sale or on clearance, often at the end of a season.
On my birthday one year I treated myself and purchased a carload of bagged soil...small budget, small car. It was all good.
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Sunset Zone 28, AHS Heat Zone 9, USDA zone 8b~"Leaf of Faith"
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Jul 1, 2016 5:01 PM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
Wow, Greene. I have heard the term "Crammed-full", but you went beyond that. You needed a U-Hail trailer. Whistling
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

The reason it's so hard to lose weight when you get up in age is because your body and your fat have become good friends.
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Jul 1, 2016 5:30 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
Sue, that's exactly what I meant. But I guess that we should spread "stinky mulch" out somewhere and flush it where the runoff WON'T poison small plants. It's worse than I thought. I had forgotten ammonia and hydrogen sulfide.


"Chemicals produced by fermenting organisms in the mulch pile under oxygen-deficient conditions can cause significant injury on annual and perennial landscape plants. These toxic substances can include ammonia, alcohol, methanol, acetic acid or hydrogen sulfide. These chemicals often escape, or volatilize, soon after spreading the mulch."
http://msue.anr.msu.edu/news/t...

The second link is especially interesting, if true:
" Sour mulch seems to be restricted to hardwood bark and not to pine bark. "

https://www.uaex.edu/publicati...
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Jul 1, 2016 5:36 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
Greene, your car reminds me of a post on the "dumpster-diving divas" thread back in the old DG. A compost enthusiast saw many bags of leaves by the side of the road while driving her kids home in a big SUV.

Whoosh, whoosh.

Every empty cubic foot of that SUV was filled with big plastic bags full of leaves. The kids were completely buried - you couldn't even see the tops of their heads.

You could only hear their plaintive cries: "Mooooooommmmm!!"
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Jul 1, 2016 5:55 PM CST
Name: greene
Savannah, GA (Sunset 28) (Zone 8b)
I have no use for internet bullies!
Avid Green Pages Reviewer Keeper of Poultry Vegetable Grower Rabbit Keeper Frugal Gardener Garden Ideas: Master Level
Plant Identifier Region: Georgia Native Plants and Wildflowers Composter Garden Sages Bookworm
This is on topic because we are suggesting the OP add lots of organic material including bagged soil (on a budget).

On the day I purchased all that mulch there was a kindly woman who held onto my dog's leash while I loaded the car (she had the easier job). I had to rearrange the bags a few times to leave room for Jack...the day was so much fun that I wrote a blog about it.
I love saving money!
http://garden.org/blogs/entry/...
Sunset Zone 28, AHS Heat Zone 9, USDA zone 8b~"Leaf of Faith"
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Jul 1, 2016 6:05 PM CST
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4b)
Annuals Native Plants and Wildflowers Keeps Horses Dog Lover Daylilies Region: Canadian
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The OP appeared to want a recipe for mixing potting mix, and also asked about making blood and bone meal at home, and not about amending clay for growing in the ground. At least that's how I intepreted it although this part is somewhat ambiguous "...how to mix potting soil without without mixing any clay in and growing in pot...." If she hasn't given up on us some clarification of the question would help with the answers.

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