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Jul 16, 2018 7:15 PM CST
Name: Jai or Jack
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This is how I identified it:

http://www.llifle.com/Encyclop...
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Jul 16, 2018 7:17 PM CST
Name: Karen
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I agree that is your plant, Jai. It just doesn't match the photos in our database.
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Jul 16, 2018 7:26 PM CST
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Should we create a database entry for Opuntia rufida minima? I am not familiar with these plants. Right now this is all we have for that species.

Blind Pricklypear (Opuntia rufida)
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Jul 16, 2018 7:31 PM CST
Name: Karen
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I can't tell if it's a legit plant or not. All I find is

https://www.gardenamerica.com/...

Do you think Jai's plant is monstrose?
I'm confused about why our database pics don't show the red (rufida).
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Jul 16, 2018 8:46 PM CST
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I hate to disagree with Ilife, but Opuntia rufida is a completely different plant not at all related to Opuntia microdasys, which is correctly mentioned lower down on the web page Jai linked to as being the major species this plant is related to. Opuntia rufida is a large bushy cactus occurring among other places in southwestern Texas, where it occurs in two distinct habits that are associated with the glochids on the pads being recessed or protruded, which is confusing enough in itself for this little guy to be thrown in the discussion.
The version with the recessed glochids is a very interesting plant to grow and could possibly be a mutated version of Opuntia rufida, but it occurs quite expansively in the wild.

I think that the correct name for this mini Opuntia is Opuntia microdasys var. rufida f. minima. Opuntia microdasys var. rufida is a form of Opuntia microdasys with red-reddish glochids, which tends to get slightly larger pads and sometimes size than regular Opuntia microdasys and because of that can become confused with the form of Opuntia rufida that has protruding red glochids. So that is where the confusion with O. rufida comes from.

Given that this is a dwarf version of the plant you'd add the 'forma minima' to indicate it is not the regular sized plant. I had this plant for quite a while and as Hamwild already mentions it stays small, before it eventually succumbed to the harsh summer conditions here. Regular prickly pears have a hard time here, so mini versions have it even harder.
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Jul 16, 2018 8:52 PM CST
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Looking at the photos in entry for Opuntia rufida, the recessed glochid pic is mine obviously and the other pictures are of the protruding glochid version from Kew so those are probably labeled right.

I got mine from the DBG as an old propagation collection plant they put out during one of their sales.
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Jul 16, 2018 11:07 PM CST
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Here is one of the plants at the DBG:

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Jul 17, 2018 6:09 AM CST
Name: Jai or Jack
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So should I petition for "Opuntia microdasys var. rufida f. minima" to be added to the database? I don't see it, but it's possible that it's listed differently and I'm not seeing the synonym. All these names confuse me!
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Jul 17, 2018 7:43 AM CST
Name: Jai or Jack
WV (Zone 6b)
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Baja_Costero said:Should we create a database entry for Opuntia rufida minima? I am not familiar with these plants. Right now this is all we have for that species.

Blind Pricklypear (Opuntia rufida)


That was sort of my question too. I am not super familiar with them, and I know that plants can look very different and still be the same species.

But when I say this one is small, I mean it is very small. Smaller than my thimble cactus and my peanut cactus. I don't own a Opuntia microdasys but I have seen lots of them and it's also smaller than that.

So if it's a horticultural variety of the regular "Opuntia rufida" I'm impressed with the selective breeding. It's not Rottweiler--vs--Chihuahua so much as Chianina--vs--canary. lol
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Jul 18, 2018 12:18 PM CST
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Beautiful plants!

Here's some of my new plants
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Jul 19, 2018 4:44 AM CST

I bought it yesterday Smiling
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This one is from last week and I really love it.
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Jul 19, 2018 7:26 AM CST
Name: Stefan
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Silvia.... those plants are from dutch nurseries? the first ive seen in stores here, the latter i own.....
The thread "Trichocereus ID" in Cactus and Succulents forum
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Jul 19, 2018 7:44 AM CST

I found them at some small flower shops near my home (I live in Romania).
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Jul 19, 2018 7:48 AM CST
Name: Stefan
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...so that is a yes...... my only complaint is that their wholesale selection is limited....
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Jul 20, 2018 1:51 PM CST
Name: Jai or Jack
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New today:









Don't tell all my Mammillarias, but the Gymnocalyciums and Matucanas are probably my favorite genera because they stay so small and manageable.
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Jul 20, 2018 2:31 PM CST
Name: Stefan
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Id tell that to my mammilarias all the time........least favorite genus.....
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Jul 20, 2018 2:49 PM CST
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I must be the only Mamm lover in the room. Lovey dubby
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Jul 20, 2018 3:00 PM CST
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My favorite patio-snackin' cactus fruit is Mammillaria. Thumbs up
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Jul 20, 2018 3:01 PM CST
Name: Jai or Jack
WV (Zone 6b)
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Well to be fair, I do love them enough to keep them. But there are soooooo many and some of them I don't even know the species, just "Mammillaria sp."
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Jul 20, 2018 4:09 PM CST
Name: Daisy I
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I like Mamms but must admit, I go for the odd looking ones. Still looking for M. vetula cv snowballs that is NOT painted. Smiling
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