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Nov 24, 2016 2:53 AM CST
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Happy Thanksgiving! The Rose of the Day is Thanksgiving.

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Nov 24, 2016 7:29 AM CST
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX (Zone 9a)
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Happy Thanksgiving!
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Nov 24, 2016 5:22 PM CST
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Zuzu, do you ever get Rambling Rose (Rosa 'Veilchenblau') reblooming for you? Just took this shot with my cell phone.
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Nov 24, 2016 5:32 PM CST
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And took these with phone too.

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Teasing Georgia
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And a few more plants:
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Nov 24, 2016 6:43 PM CST
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX (Zone 9a)
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November and your garden is still beautiful!
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Nov 25, 2016 2:30 AM CST
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Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
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This is National Parfait Day. The Rose of the Day is Parfait.

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Nov 25, 2016 8:26 AM CST
Name: Sharlene Sutter
St. Gallen - Switzerland (Zone 6a)
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Sue - I am totally jealous and now you even have me considering a move once DH and I go on pension! Big Grin Only three years to go!
Zone 9a definitely has a longer growing season. Just don't know where we could go here in Europe where we wouldn't have to learn another language Confused

Zuzu - gorgeous colour on Parfait. It seems to be rather rare - you are lucky to have it.
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Nov 25, 2016 3:04 PM CST
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I think many people had Parfait at one time. It was always on the Vintage Gardens availability list, so it must have been easy to root, but the rooted cuttings were always weak and runty, so they usually died quickly. Mine is almost 10 years old, but it never got very big, and now it's getting smaller every year, and I think this might be its last year. It's a sport of Minuette, another rose that sorely needs to be grafted to display its full potential.

I wish you could move here, Sharlene. Sue and I would take you to all of our favorite local nurseries.

Sue, I do occasionally get a rebloom on Veilchenblau. Just a few weeks ago, one cane burst into bloom in several pretty clusters.
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Nov 25, 2016 3:31 PM CST
Name: Molly McKinley
Florida Tundra (Zone 9a)
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Rain what a lovely thought. I put in all the rest roses I got from Angel Garden accept the 3 I promise to two people. We have had three slight freezes this week. I say freezes not Frost's because you need moisture in the air to get a frost and we haven't had any. So I have been out watering all these roses every day. They didn't mind the cold at all. That's another thing I love about roses. Belinda is still blooming.

My teen helper pulled out the two pampas grasses around my entrance trellis. I now have four climbers there settling in.

One of my customers is on the board of the Gainesville rose society. I am looking forward to the meeting in December. I still have so much to learn especially about what roses do best in our area.
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Nov 25, 2016 3:41 PM CST
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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Zuzu ...

When I had a rose do that, I'd just pot it up into a container and let it grow new roots.

I have a hunch, your gophers keep the larger roses from growing the size of the root mass they really need because the root mass is limited to the size of your gopher cage. Of course, I could be wrong.

Give the rose a safe place to start over.

One of Ralph Moore's pithy sayings was, "If there is a way, the rose will find it." I think putting it in a container, will give the rose a way ... Smiling
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Nov 25, 2016 4:30 PM CST
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I'm never going to figure out all of the gopher questions, Lyn. I'll try putting Parfait in a container this year and see whether that perks it up. It's very possible that gophers are nibbling on any roots that escape the cage, but some of my largest roses that are never bothered by the gophers must have huge roots, and some aren't even in cages because they were already too big 10 years ago when I dug most of the roses up to transfer them to cages. I've figured out that the gophers only like own-root roses and roses grafted onto Dr. Huey, but I haven't figured out why some of those are never harmed by gophers, while others stand no chance at all in my garden. Mister Lincoln, for instance, is absolutely irresistible to them. I've tried to grow it in cages and containers, and the gophers chew right through the cages and the bottoms of containers to get at that rose.
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Nov 25, 2016 6:00 PM CST
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX (Zone 9a)
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Perhaps Mr Lincoln tastes as good as he smells.
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Nov 25, 2016 6:54 PM CST
Name: Carol H. Sandt
Lancaster County, Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
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"A Longwood Christmas" is the current display at Longwood Gardens in Kennett Square, Pennsylvania, and I took my family to see it today.

I was surprised to see a Christmas tree decorated with beautiful red roses:

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The roses looked and felt freshly cut to me, but we learned from staff members that they are freeze-dried. I never knew that roses could be freeze-dried!
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Nov 25, 2016 7:03 PM CST
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Aren't they gorgeous! Perfect holiday decorations.
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Nov 25, 2016 8:58 PM CST
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX (Zone 9a)
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Amazing! They look so bright, fresh, and perfect.
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Nov 25, 2016 10:29 PM CST
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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zuzu said:I'm never going to figure out all of the gopher questions, Lyn. I'll try putting Parfait in a container this year and see whether that perks it up. It's very possible that gophers are nibbling on any roots that escape the cage, but some of my largest roses that are never bothered by the gophers must have huge roots, and some aren't even in cages because they were already too big 10 years ago when I dug most of the roses up to transfer them to cages. I've figured out that the gophers only like own-root roses and roses grafted onto Dr. Huey, but I haven't figured out why some of those are never harmed by gophers, while others stand no chance at all in my garden. Mister Lincoln, for instance, is absolutely irresistible to them. I've tried to grow it in cages and containers, and the gophers chew right through the cages and the bottoms of containers to get at that rose.


Zuzu ... I am not going to go all scientific on you, but Dr. H was not used as a root stock until the 1930s, so a lot of other root stocks were in play in gopher territory as well as a lot of own root roses.

There were long discussions about root stocks and how found roses had adapted and survived in gopher country at those gatherings at Ralph Moore's nursery. I learned a lot.

(We also talked about the large stands of species roses found all over the gold country)

I asked Kim why roses grafted to multiflora vs Dr H vs own root did better in your garden because I knew he was familiar with both your climate and your soil. He confirmed that multiflora has more fiberous roots than Dr. H, so, given a choice any smart-thinking gopher would go for anything grafted to Dr. H. Makes sense.

The same will be true for whatever own root rose you plant. Some have nice tender juicy roots. Others do not ... Smiling

If a plant is injured in any way, it releases a hormone to help heal the injury. If it is repeatedly injured, sometimes, it cannot survive. When the roots are chomped outside of the cage, some of your roses will adapt and others won't.

Actually, your roses are being root pruned ... Smiling

The same is true for roses being pruned above ground. Some roses can handle hard pruning above ground, while others just wither away.

Another deer has found its way into the house pad garden. I am certain it is a doe because all of the bucks have huge racks this time of year. Sighing!

It's raining, so I am not out mending fences. The doe is doing an excellent job of clean pruning the roses. She is not going after the blooms. It seems like she is going after all of the older wood first.

The roses that survive her attention are going to be the ones that don't mind that kind of pruning.

When it stops raining, I might take a few photos. It is not a pretty sight. However, Nature has been pruning roses with the teeth of animals for a long time and is pretty good at getting the job done.

Roses have also survived being pruned by the teeth of animals for a long time. Many have adapted quite well and that's why we mimic Nature and prune our roses ... Smiling
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Nov 26, 2016 2:41 AM CST
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Today is Good Grief Day! It's the birthday of Charles M. Schulz (1922-2000), the Peanuts gang creator who's buried right here in Sebastopol.

There is a rose called Charlie Brown, but we don't have any photos of it. The Rose of the Day, therefore, is Charlies Rose.

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Nov 27, 2016 2:02 AM CST
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Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
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Today is National Pins and Needles Day. The Rose of the Day is Pinstripe.

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Nov 27, 2016 9:55 AM CST
Name: Sharlene Sutter
St. Gallen - Switzerland (Zone 6a)
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Is it permitted to refer to a rose as 'cute'? Smiling

I find it quite a coincidence that you selected Moore's 'Pinstripe' (1985) for todays rose after mentioning his rose 'Charlie Brown' (1996) yesterday - 'Pinstripe' is the pollen parent of 'Charlie Brown'. HMF has some really nice pics of both rose to make a comparison. I think they are quite similar.
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Nov 27, 2016 10:46 AM CST
Frisco, TX (Zone 8a)
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csandt said:

The roses looked and felt freshly cut to me, but we learned from staff members that they are freeze-dried. I never knew that roses could be freeze-dried!



@csandt My daughter had freeze dried rose petals tossed at her wedding. They were amazing! You could choose from many colors and were beautiful.

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