sunkissed said:Well thank you Joanna, I was a bit disappointed it didn't stay long enough to get a whole shot of it, but the peeping over the flower was as good as it got.
joannakat said:Sherri, the Zebra is a stunning photo putting the flowers as the central focus with a gorgeous surprise for those who care to look closely enough. As we are peeking at it, it is peeking out at us!
gardenfish said:The year I grew a particular zinnia called Forecast, a flat, Daisy style zinnia, was the prime year for butterflies for me. I noticed the other day that Burpees doesn't offer this zinnia anymore, nor can I find it in seed catalogs. Burpees does have something similar, the hey is to find one with a flat base where the pollen bearing whatever you call them thingies stick up above the petals. I had loads of painted ladies, here's some of those.
gardenfish said:Ok, I will settle this in this manner. I don't always think it's necessary to be so forceful, but this case this calls for plain language, verifiable facts and not personal opinion. The expert to whom I referred to is Tierea Curry, a senior scientist at the Center for Biological Diversity. Please take note this is not some "gardener." This is her quote verbatim. " Monarchs are too important for us to just plant flowers on roadsides and hope for the best". There is more that she said, but this is exactly the point I was making.
RE the many so called gardening experts, I do believe that to determine who is a real garden expert one needs to establish their credentials as to whether they have any degrees in horticulture and whether they have worked many hours in their chosen fields of study. With the availability of the Internet and the onset of You Tube, anyone can produce videos on gardening techniques and call themselves an expert; discerning gardeners will pick right up on these imposters, and speedily reject their crack pot advice.If people accept the advice coming from them as advice from an expert, the onus is on them for being so gullible.
It is insulting to compare Ms Curry to these kind of experts or to deny her credibility in the very specific field she has chosen to be her life's work, and not only that, in her real efforts not only to save the Monarch but all the native pollinators who share the Monarchs place in our ecosystem and who's fate is entwined with the Monarchs fate.
If the previous statements haven't clarified the contents of my original post, let's look at this using a model based on a creation of a possible real life scenario.
You own an older house, and you have discovered that the wiring is outdated, something that was revealed when you inspected the circuit box; this inspection has shown that while portions of your electrical outlets throughout the home are directed through circuit breakers, other electrical outlets are directed through old fashioned fuses, which are always susceptible to burn out if you have too many appliances, etc operating at one time. Perhaps you've even blown fuses regularly already. You make the decision to call in an expert to take care of this problem and fix the electrical problems. So you go to the phone and you call a plumber?.....
Of course you don't! You call a electrician.
Because this post is a rebuttal concerning who is an expert in Monarchs and who is not, I will conclude by paraphrasing Dr. Faucis quote, because in this
particular situation could not be more pertinent: Follow the science.