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flowerlover
Feb 9, 2014 10:12 AM CST
hello everyone - I found this site a week ago and have been reading and reading!! just love how sharing you all are so I hope you will be tolerant
of a newbie full of questions!! not sure how to put info about zone and such in the corner so I will just share... I live in zone 4 northwest Iowa.
I started collecting daylilies a couple of years ago and I am Addicted!! I found the daylilies produced by Lambertson and LOVE the purples and ruffles!! my question on his beautiful daylilies..can I grow them in zone 4? we have had a stupid cold winter..a few -70 wind chill factor and many -20 actual air temp at night. so can I order from southern growers?? I do not see hybridizing in my future so could some one explain to me
about parenting plants? they seem to be higher $$ and not important to me so I should shy away from them? also seedlings?? some are beautiful!! they are just daylilies with out names and I just buy them because I love the colors?? sorry I have so many questions in my 1st post and if they have been answered already I could not find the answers!! so happy to have found this site and all the info! well.... maybe should not have found L A!! THANKS EVERYONE!!
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daylily
Feb 9, 2014 10:32 AM CST
Welcome!
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I am in 5b to 6 and I grew a couple of Luddy's years ago. They were not top performers here, but they survived.

My advice, for new people, is to look up the AHS display gardens in your area, and go visit them when they are blooming. Talk to the owners and see what they say about what does well. Also, on the AHS site, look at your region's Popularity Polls. Great info there for more plants that do really well.

Click on my name to get to my profile... I have done some articles on display gardens, Pop Polls and such.

I don't recommend buying unnamed plants. At some point, you will more than likely be trying to figure out what they are, and it is nearly impossible.

Try your best to keep your plants labeled. You may not think you will be hybridizing, or selling, but eventually you might be. Chances are good that at the least, you will want to give away plants you got early on, to make pace for plants you buy later, and you will want accurate names with them. One of my article- tips is how to use a plastic knife to make an underground marker. Works great!

More people will be along with more advice!

Welcome!
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Frillylily
Feb 9, 2014 10:52 AM CST
yes you can grow dl in zone 4. You probably need to stick to dormants. You might try a few semi evergreen and see how they do for you. I would not attempt evergreens if it were me. If you do not plan on hybridizing, you won't need to pay alot of attention to anything really other than just if you like the flower. Buy what you like. I have many many dl I paid $5-10 for and LOVE and some I paid closer to 40 for, and there is no difference really. I like to buy the cheaper ones anyway because you can spend a lot of money on a dl and then you may not like it's performance. I like to wait a few years and see what other people have to say about it before shelling out $. Parent plants just let you know who the parents were of a particular dl. or instance if you look at Plant C on a website, it may say it's parents were Plant A and Plant B. This is important for people who hybridize, you probably won't need any of that info really. Sometimes I look at parentage just to decide how I think a dl will perform for me. For example if I bought Plant Q two separate time and it died, I may shy away from buying it's children!
Seedlings are crosses (babies) that are usually not decided yet by the hybridizer if they want to register them. For instance, a hybridizer may row out 1,000 seedlings, but after 4 or 5 years only a dozen of those would be chosen to register, name, market and sell. The rest are culled (thrown out). Seedlings are not for sale until they are registered. (generally speaking)
http://www.daylilies.org/DaylilyDB/
you can look here at the AHS registry to see if a dl you want to buy is registered and to find more info about it. Usually you can find it's parentage, height, bloom time (early, mid, late, rebloom ect, and if it is evergreen or dormant. ect. You can also see the hybridizer. This is handy if you prefer dl from a particular person. Some people hybridize for specific qualities, such as heavy substance, diamond dusting, ruffling, spider forms, ect ect. So if you prefer a certain type, you might specifically look up that hybridizer.
Be ware of companies selling dl that have names that do not come up on a search on the above link. They are most likely not reputable.
I think for zone 4 it would be best for you to find some growers in similar cold zones to buy from. If you bought dormants, you could grow them in a green house maybe or potted in your house. But to plant them outside, they would most likely not do well. There are LOTS of dormants! Smiling

Here is links to some growers that you could buy from to start out with.

http://www.homesteadfarms.com/ (Missouri) (I love this place!)

http://www.cheryldaylilies.com/Index.html (Ohio)


http://www.lilywoodfarms.com/page/page/3385198.htm (Missouri- I have not ordered form here)

Maybe some of this will get you started!




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Feb 9, 2014 11:23 AM CST
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daylilydreams
Feb 9, 2014 11:36 AM CST
First off here is the website for the AHS: http://www.daylilies.org/
You will be able to find lots of information and gardens you can visit by the way you are in region 1.

Here is another website that list sellers from across the US just look for northern states.
http://daylilydiary.com/

I live in Minnesota zone 4, I have visited a nearby AHS display garden many times and a hybridizers garden a couple of time. When you visit a AHS display garden make sure you take a note pad and make notes on the daylilies you like. The daylilies will be labeled with the name and the hybridizers name. I know there are display gardens in your state, if they are in a reasonable distance call them to set up a visit. Then you will have a good idea which cultivars will grow and bloom well for you.

Karol Emmerich is a hybridizer from Minnesota her garden is Springwood Gardens she hybridizes lots of purples that are northern hardy. Plants do not have to be dormant to grow well in zone 4, I also have semi-evergreens and evergreens. Visiting gardens and seeing what they grow is the best way to see what might do well in your garden.
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daylily
Feb 9, 2014 11:36 AM CST
Gail Korn is in Nebraska. Not sure how that compares to your area… but I have known Gail for over 20 years, and she has had some really rough growing conditions. If plants do well for her, surely they would for you too.
http://www.gardenperennials.net/index.html

Here is the AHS page for your area…. There are a few display gardens listed for Iowa. Don't hesitate to contact these gardens. They are homeowners who love to have people visit and enjoy their plants…. and often they enjoy talking about them on the phone and giving advice to new people in the area. You can also see the info on this page for your local daylily clubs.
http://www.daylilies.org/AHSreg1.html

I agree with grow what you like --- but I find so many people, when starting out - just start buying, before they really know what is available in daylilies. By going to Display Gardens and to shows put on by Clubs, you can see the REAL colors and forms and what the daylilies REALLY look like, not the touched up photos on websites and in catalogs. You may also find that when you see them in person, you like something totally different than you did when looking online.
Name: Juli
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daylily
Feb 9, 2014 11:39 AM CST
I've not grown any of Emmerich's myself, but I understand that they are hardy.

Richard Norris, Curt Hanson, Steve Moldovan --- they are all names associated with really hardy daylilies that perform well with lots of blooms in the north. And, many of their plants go for under $30. There are a lot more hybridizers that work for northern hardiness, those are just 3 that come to mind.
Name: Mike
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Hazelcrestmikeb
Feb 9, 2014 12:03 PM CST
Flowerlover Welcome! !!
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Hazelcrestmikeb
Feb 9, 2014 12:08 PM CST
I have gotten plants from Mike Grossman in MN.
http://www.northernlightsdaylilies.com/About_Us.php
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cats1
Feb 9, 2014 12:25 PM CST
Hi Flowerlover,

Pretty sure you don't have to worry about wind chill. I went through that a year or two ago and decided it was only what it felt like on your skin, and shouldn't bother the plants. Smiling

As far as actual temps, we've been down to -16 so far this year and crossing my fingers that they make it through the winter. - Hoping they do, if they can get through this one I think they're pretty hardy! -- Course they've still got to get through the freezing and thawing in the spring... but so far haven't lost an established plant yet.

Lots of gorgeous plants out there.. and if you keep an eye out, you can buy some of them reasonable.
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Name: Mike
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Hazelcrestmikeb
Feb 9, 2014 12:28 PM CST
Forgot to add that if you have snow cover that usually buffer the actual temp.
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JWWC
Feb 9, 2014 12:37 PM CST
Hazelcrestmikeb said:Forgot to add that if you have snow cover that usually buffer the actual temp.


This is definitely true. I'm zone 5 (I think 5b) and I grow dormants, semi-evergreens and evergreens because they are under snow for most of the winter. The other thing I have noticed is that most everything here behaves as a semi-evergreen at most. I wouldn't recommend spending a ton of money on an evergreen until you know you can keep them alive with a mix of mulch and snow.

flowerlover
Feb 9, 2014 1:20 PM CST
wow you are all so kind to answer my questions!! I do have all of my daylilies tagged and re-tagged! my family thinks I am nuts for being so worried about names
of daylilies!! my daylily bed is plotted out on paper with sections A - S. then daylilies have #s in that section. each daylily has 2 knives stuck in the ground with name and
location. then I have a note book with names, photos, location and other info. another little notebook for outside where they are listed alphbeticaly with location and increase
and other info I want to have. You see I am an empty nester with too much time on my hands(not really)!! we live on a farm with a large acreage so I can plant lots of
flowers! my hubby is very tolerant of my hobbies and helps me with a lot of my projects. we have a granddaughter who is 1 and are building her a fairy garden. a 1 year old
sized garden with fairy houses that are 2 feet high and painted great bright colors. I think a 4 or 5 foot fairy house is in the works!! I also love making signs for the garden with
cute and funny sayings. I need to get some dragon related daylilies.... for the saying....Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons..for you are crunchy and good with ketchup!
wow you probably did want to know all that but I am so excited to talk gardening!! I have been to gail korns garden and also Keast daylily garden. both are 3 hours away
but were great to visit. I plan on going back to both! I will look up the names you all shared with me. thank you all so much!
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daylilydreams
Feb 9, 2014 1:31 PM CST
Forgot to Welcome! you to ATP. Sounds like you are having lots of fun in your garden take pictures and post them we would love to see your garden. Your granddaughter is lucky to have such a whimsical garden.
If you want to be happy for a lifetime plant a garden!
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Betty MN Zone4 AHS member

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chalyse
Feb 9, 2014 3:17 PM CST
Will be looking forward to seeing pictures of your daylilies and gardens! Welcome! :grouphug:
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Growgirl
Feb 9, 2014 3:27 PM CST
Welcome! to the addiction. Hilarious!
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Frillylily
Feb 9, 2014 3:55 PM CST
you will be able to find all kinds of daylilies with fairy or dragon themed names.

http://www.amazon.com/Fairy-Gardens-Growing-Enchanted-Miniat...

well with all your interest in names and such you could very well have the hybridzing bug bite you! It has never interested me, but many people do enjoy it. I also keep extensive photos, so even in the winter I can see them. I am rarely outside w/o my camera.
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Natalie
Feb 9, 2014 4:45 PM CST
Welcome! Flowerlover!!
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philljm
Feb 9, 2014 5:25 PM CST
Welcome! Great info here.

I am in southern Wisconsin, and even last year I didn't lose many daylilies (I always seem to lose a few!) The others are correct, snow helps protect daylilies. I too have a variety of dormants, semi-evergreens and evergreens.

I didn't think I would get into hybridizing, but it's kinda fun. I have more fun buying seeds off the Lily Auction, it has allowed me to get some crosses I wouldn't have been able to otherwise.

The other thing I have noticed is that my tastes have changed - and I have only been messing with daylilies for 5 years now. I started off with almost everything being red. Then I got into the purples, and now I am leaning toward the bright yellows and glowing oranges.....

Most recently I have been hooked on the mini's - yet previous to this I hated any daylily shorter than 30 inches Whistling

I am eventually going to have a Military themed garden others have Oz themes etc. So I keep watching for daylilies with military names.

Keep posting, and join our chat thread - we are a pretty friendly group of enablers errrr, gardeners! here ~Jan
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Gleni
Feb 9, 2014 5:35 PM CST
Welcome! Welcome! Welcome! Flowerlover

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