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Apr 7, 2015 4:43 AM CST
Name: Cynthia (Cindy)
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Apr 8, 2015 3:12 AM CST
Name: Muata Kamdibe
Diamond Bar, California (Zone 10a)
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Thanks everyone, and sorry to hear about the losses. I had deer eat five cultivars, and chomp on at least 10 more. It was a coordinated sneak attack that happened over two nights ... sigh.
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Apr 8, 2015 6:50 PM CST
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Name: Becky
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I am very grateful that I don't have deer here. I know they might be jumping my fence to get to may edible plants! They would have a feast in my yard! I am sorry to hear about your daylilies being eaten, Muata. Sad
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Apr 9, 2015 12:03 PM CST
Name: Muata Kamdibe
Diamond Bar, California (Zone 10a)
Killing plants since 1992
Region: California Daylilies Vegetable Grower Plumerias
beckygardener said:I am very grateful that I don't have deer here. I know they might be jumping my fence to get to may edible plants! They would have a feast in my yard! I am sorry to hear about your daylilies being eaten, Muata. Sad


Thanks Becky, and trust me, it was a big surprise to me. And, speaking of our DL eating friend, I need to go and buy more deterrent spray for my yard. It seems to have worked so far ... Thumbs up
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Apr 11, 2015 4:33 PM CST
Name: Elaine
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I've got Siloam Double Classic, one single-ish and one double bloom:

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Apr 11, 2015 5:07 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
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And from north Florida......
SCAPES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hurray! Hurray! Hurray! Hurray! Hurray! Hurray! Hurray! Hurray! Hurray! Hurray!

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Apr 12, 2015 6:07 AM CST
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Name: Becky
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Elaine - Beautiful color and form!

Ann - Yay! Can't wait to see yours!

A NEW QUESTION FOR MAURICE ( @admmad ) OR SUE ( @sooby ):

Are the bloom habits prompted by weather (heat), rain (water), or by sun cycle .... or what?

I think this year I have more early bloomers with the newest seedlings than I had in the past. I rarely have any bloom this early. Or maybe it is the warmer Spring we are having that is prompting many to bloom?

Interestingly, I had a Dragonfly Dawn x Dragonfly Dawn seedling bloom for the first time last year on 7/22. The other seedling planted at the same time did not bloom at all last year. I germinated the last 2 seeds from that cross and planted them in the new garden bed last Fall. Both of those plants have their first scapes currently. But the 2nd seedling is still not showing any scapes (of course it may still bloom for the first time this year at a different time).
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Apr 12, 2015 7:43 AM CST
Name: Elaine
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I'm blaming the extra warm weather we're having, Becky. Mine are at least 3 weeks early blooming, too.
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Apr 12, 2015 7:59 AM CST
Name: Maurice
Grey Highlands, Ontario (Zone 5a)
beckygardener said:A NEW QUESTION
Are the bloom habits prompted by weather (heat), rain (water), or by sun cycle .... or what?


Daylilies will bloom once they reach their own specific mature or adult size (ie depends on the cultivar or genotype). That presumably applies to each fan of a cultivar independently. How quickly that happens depends on how fast they grow and whether they stop growing during certain times. How fast they grow does depend on the weather. The amount of sunlight will be important but usually the most important factor is the temperature. Below a certain temperature a daylily fan will stop growing; above a certain temperature a daylily fan will suffer. In between those two limits a daylily fan will grow faster the higher the temperature and vice versa. Water and fertilizer, usually, especially nitrogen, also affect how fast a daylily will grow.
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Apr 12, 2015 8:01 AM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
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Apr 12, 2015 8:09 AM CST
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Apr 12, 2015 8:53 AM CST
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Apr 12, 2015 9:01 AM CST
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Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Maurice - Your comments were the same I was thinking. Your reply leads me to ask this question though ....

When daylilies are labeled as early, mid, and late bloomers ... how does that work? Is that time frame for a certain region of the country (such as where the hybridizer lives) or is that across the country no matter where they are growing? If so, are those "consistent" bloom times? Or are those also affected by heat and cold regarding bloom times during the growing season? If we have an early Spring/Summer or those up North have a late Spring/Summer due to weather temps, that affects how quickly they will bloom? Does that also affect rebloom?
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Apr 12, 2015 9:03 AM CST
Name: pam
gainesville fl (Zone 8b)
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I had Curious George bloom yesterday as my first flower of the year. I for the life of me cant get the pictures from my phone to the computer. Ive done it before, but apparently have forgotten a key step.
Im about 60% scaped, which is a miracle after the brush killer fiasco.
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Apr 12, 2015 9:06 AM CST
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Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Pam - 60% scaped?!!! O Holy Smokes! (No pun intended!) Mine are only about 10% at this time. Looks like your garden is going to be putting on quite the show for you if they all start blooming at the same time! Lovey dubby Thumbs up

You had a bad brush fire up there near your home?
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Apr 12, 2015 10:54 AM CST
Name: Elaine
Sarasota, Fl
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Becky, I think it's "early, mid or late" for your zone. So if you plant one of each in a bed, the "early" one will presumably bloom first, the mid-season will bloom second and the late one will bloom last no matter where you live.

So of course spring (last frost, that is) comes here in FL in late Feb or early March, so our "early" daylilies will (usually) bloom in late April. In Montana, spring doesn't come until May so their "early" daylilies won't bloom until June-ish. Not an exact schedule, by any means as we've seen this year. We've had an early warm-up while the Northeast is still having winter.

Now that we have rebloomers, and those that just bloom all the time, it's not such an issue anyway, right?
Elaine

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Apr 12, 2015 11:27 AM CST
Name: Maurice
Grey Highlands, Ontario (Zone 5a)
beckygardener said:When daylilies are labeled as early, mid, and late bloomers ... how does that work? Is that time frame for a certain region of the country (such as where the hybridizer lives) or is that across the country no matter where they are growing? If so, are those "consistent" bloom times? Or are those also affected by heat and cold regarding bloom times during the growing season? If we have an early Spring/Summer or those up North have a late Spring/Summer due to weather temps, that affects how quickly they will bloom? Does that also affect rebloom?

The simple answer is that the registered information for bloom season is for the hybridizer's location and growing conditions.

The biological factors that affect a daylily's bloom season are complex and we do not know enough about them.

I will begin as simply as possible and then add some of the possible complications.

Lets begin with ten seeds, one from each of ten different crosses planted in optimum conditions with no changes from day to day (ie no weather, in a lab or growing room where everything is controlled). After a certain number of days each plant would bloom and then they would bloom again after another number of days and then they would bloom again after another number of days, etc. for as long as we grew the plants. We would expect that each plant would have its own different number of days between bloom periods. Because the first bloom period the plant grew from a seed and for all other bloom periods the plant grew from its own crown the first bloom time might or might not be the same as the rest of the bloom times. As long as the growing conditions were consistent we would expect that the bloom times (number of days between say the end of one flowering to the beginning of the next flowering) would also be consistent (no seeds being set). Some plants would take fewer days to the next bloom cycle while other plants would take longer. That would be because the plants are genetically different - their genotypes are different.

Now lets say we change the growing conditions. We still keep them consistent but they are different from the first test. Perhaps in the first test we set the temperature to be 75F and kept the lights on for 18 hours each day and perhaps in the second test we lower the temperature to 68F and keep the lights on for only 16 hours each day. We would begin by expecting that although the number of days between bloom cycles would change, that the order of the different plants would remain the same - those that took longer would still take longer, etc. However living things often do not do what we expect of them. If there is genotype X environment interaction then the order of bloom cycles for the different plants may change when we change the (growing) environment. It would not necessarily change for all the plants but it might for some of them.

In a garden we have other complications. There will be locations where, by definition, the growing season is classified as being 12 months long. There may be daylily cultivars that can grow all year round in those locations. In those cases what do we use as the start of the growing season for those cultivars to be able to classify their bloom times as early, mid or late, for example?

The weather will affect bloom times because a daylily has to grow and develop its scape and its flowers. Early and late springs will affect bloom dates. Warm versus cool growing season temperatures will affect rebloom dates or whether rebloom occurs at all.

Just as there could be genotype X environment interaction under controlled conditions there could be genotype X environment interaction in natural conditions between different gardens in different locations. We would begin with the prediction or expectation that the order of first flower open (FFO) would remain the same for different cultivars in different locations but they might not (due to genotype x environment interaction). A complication with FFO dates is that for any cultivar they become earlier the more scapes are produced - the more flowers there are to open (to a limit, more or less).
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Apr 12, 2015 11:31 AM CST
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Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Elaine - Thanks. I do understand about the early, mid, and late characteristic listed of registered daylilies. I may start keeping track of when each of my daylilies first bloom EACH and EVERY year. I am thinking I have many early bloomers this year because of the new seedlings I have added. In past years and also current year, most of my "old" seedlings still haven't even sent up scapes yet. Most of them bloom later anyway (late May - mid July). But I am just surprised at how many early bloomers (of the new seedlings) I have this Spring. Can seedlings be early the first year? My first daylily to bloom this year was on March 14. That is really very early!!!!

I was just trying to figure out if that is consistent from year to year that the same ones will bloom early, mid, and late. Or can that change due to other factors?
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Apr 12, 2015 11:37 AM CST
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Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Maurice - We posted at the same time, so I didn't see your reply when I replied to Elaine.

So typically, they would continue to bloom in order. Early would bloom first, mid would bloom later, and late would be the last to bloom ... FFO. I do get that info about environmental issues may affect bloom time, because at least 1 other member here on the forum gets hers to bloom inside in the Winter. (She lives up north, too.)

"A complication with FFO dates is that for any cultivar they become earlier the more scapes are produced - the more flowers there are to open (to a limit, more or less). " Can you please explain this comment more. Are you saying that if the plant has many fans and many scapes, that it will actually bloom earlier than usual? Or am I misunderstanding what you are saying?
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Apr 12, 2015 11:43 AM CST
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Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Elaine - I currently don't have any that bloom all the time. I think Stella d oro was the only one I had years ago that actually bloomed all the time. (Something killed the plant though.) Are there many daylilies that DO bloom for most of the growing season? I am curious as to which cultivars they are. My thought is ... could an extended season bloomer be crossed with a preferred cultivar to get a plant with desired traits to bloom for most or all of the growing season? I have my favorites in my yard ..... and it sure would be LOVELY if they bloomed from Spring through Fall every year! Big Grin Thumbs up
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