Rick-It opened this morning, and i photod it at 7 am, so i would get a true colour shot, not a faded one[it is so hot here]It does have ariel bulbils[ not as many as my 'Flaviflorum' man alive, it has massive clusters on one stem, resembling a green foliated blackberry] and the petals are as i said 'really leathery and strong,'..Pard, thanks for burnin' the midnight oil,old John, the judge is 86 yrs old and no mug to lilium descriptions, -although, due to age, is sometimes vague,.,. this bulb came to me years ago from a person now deceased,.,.I will quizz John,possibly for the last time, on'Tan Tiger'on 14-15 jan at our lily show,.Thanks for the responses,.,.