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Apr 29, 2013 10:02 PM CST
Name: Anthony Weeding
Rosetta,Tasmania,Australia (Zone 7b)
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Looks like you've got them growing out of 'cement' Calin!! Hilarious!
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Apr 29, 2013 11:51 PM CST
Name: Calin
Weston-super-mare UK (Zone 7b)
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Well, I didn't buy those. I got them from someone. He had many, and I could tell they must be something "special" and I took the chance, even though they were all in green.
It may have been too wet for those. It was a terribly wet winter.
The bad ones are so close to the "species". Same conditions, same soil.
And the soil yes... concrete!
My flower garden happens to be in the part where a few years back there was nothing. The land is not ours, but belongs to the village. It's the part between the road and the actual yards and houses.
And dad kept adding more soil there until it was all levelled up. Who knows where it came from???
I have no idea how to mend it. As it's full of plants, bulbs, bushes, and so on, it would mean to dig them all up?
GEEZ!
And now it looks so much worse after all those rains pressing down the ground and now we've had at least two weeks of scorching sun and not even a light shower.
I think I may have chosen the wrong hobby (for this climate).
Confused
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Apr 30, 2013 2:36 AM CST
Name: Anthony Weeding
Rosetta,Tasmania,Australia (Zone 7b)
idont havemuch-but ihave everything
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Region: Australia Lilies Seed Starter Bulbs
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Overhead shadecloth, mate.. erect 4 poles, and make a shaded area,,..I cant handle everything I have here, but I do my best.....Im gonna take a stab at Tsingtauense, [early season]Rick...lets everyone take a guess.. Thumbs up Shrug!
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Apr 30, 2013 3:49 AM CST
Name: Calin
Weston-super-mare UK (Zone 7b)
Bulbs Lilies Plant and/or Seed Trader
Really Anthony???
Lilium tsingtauense?
I hope someone can come up with a better "guess" ... somehow this lily doesn't make me go WOW. Based on the pics I saw online.
But I'm sure once they bloom I'll fall in love with them, anyway. Rolling my eyes.
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Apr 30, 2013 8:08 AM CST
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
Garden Photography The WITWIT Badge Seed Starter Wild Plant Hunter Region: Minnesota Hybridizer
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I'd be very surprise if Lilium tsingtauense would ever put out that many whorls of foliage (four or more). Usually they only produce one or two complete tiers, even on a mature plant. I think we can rule L. tsingtauense out.

My best guess is L. martagon or L. canadense, but only a guess.
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Apr 30, 2013 11:30 PM CST
Name: Anthony Weeding
Rosetta,Tasmania,Australia (Zone 7b)
idont havemuch-but ihave everything
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OK-point taken............
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May 2, 2013 10:08 PM CST
Name: Calin
Weston-super-mare UK (Zone 7b)
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Oh right. After te L. tsss possible ID, I googled quite a bit and it never hit me, the number of whirls rule.
OK. We'll see.
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May 8, 2013 12:50 AM CST
Name: Calin
Weston-super-mare UK (Zone 7b)
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Of the entire group I think I'm only gonna have one blooming.
Here it is...

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May 10, 2013 5:04 PM CST
Name: Michael Norberry
Arcata, CA Zone 9 or 17 suns (Zone 9a)
Region: California Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Dog Lover Ponds Seed Starter
Here is my L. hansonii starting to grow here in Arcata, California.
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May 11, 2013 8:15 AM CST
Name: Lorn (Roosterlorn)
S.E Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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Nice plant, Mike. Did you grow some from seed or did you get this one as a bulb? I don't know that much about L hansonni; is it common for them to nod--I think I can count 8 buds, maybe more. Looks good!
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May 11, 2013 12:19 PM CST
Name: Michael Norberry
Arcata, CA Zone 9 or 17 suns (Zone 9a)
Region: California Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Dog Lover Ponds Seed Starter
Purchased as a bulb this year. Purchased from McClure & Zimmerman (www.mzbulb.com) Its not in their new catalog. Its a species.
Mike
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May 11, 2013 7:21 PM CST
Name: Lorn (Roosterlorn)
S.E Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
Bee Lover Lilies Pollen collector Seed Starter Region: Wisconsin
Mike, you got me interested. I had to read up on it. I found out all the bulbs out there (for sale, etc) are all clones because the plant is sterile. But, I found out it will cross with Martagons also. I checked with M & Z and didn't see it (probably out) but I did find one at Hirts Gardens for about $10.00. Guess I'll order one and pick up a few Martagons here and there over time as well.. I think I have a pretty good spot for those types and I might as well use it. I see also it's common for them to nod when loaded with buds. Your plant sure looks healthy.
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May 11, 2013 10:25 PM CST
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
Garden Photography The WITWIT Badge Seed Starter Wild Plant Hunter Region: Minnesota Hybridizer
Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
All species in the martagon section of Lilium have nodding buds and inflorescence stems like that to some degree, but especially Ll. martagon and hansonii.

L. 'Mrs. R. O. Backhouse' is well known old cultivar of a cross of L. martagon and L. hansonii. Still one of my favorites.
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers. - Socrates
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Jun 3, 2013 1:46 AM CST
Name: Calin
Weston-super-mare UK (Zone 7b)
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OK. Here's the Mystery revealed!
Which is it? Is it a martagon???

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Jun 3, 2013 3:22 AM CST
Name: Anthony Weeding
Rosetta,Tasmania,Australia (Zone 7b)
idont havemuch-but ihave everything
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Album?
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Jun 3, 2013 5:02 AM CST
Name: Calin
Weston-super-mare UK (Zone 7b)
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Looks like!
As only one indulged me with flowers, i am wondering if all are the same.
I guess, time will tell (next year).
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Jun 3, 2013 6:45 PM CST
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
Garden Photography The WITWIT Badge Seed Starter Wild Plant Hunter Region: Minnesota Hybridizer
Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
Yes, they all look like martagons. If the flowers are pure white, with or without a green tinge, than it is a true L. martagon var. album. But there seem to be some color in the buds? This would suggest a martagon hybrid heavy with album genes.
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers. - Socrates
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Jun 3, 2013 7:38 PM CST
Name: Michael Norberry
Arcata, CA Zone 9 or 17 suns (Zone 9a)
Region: California Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Dog Lover Ponds Seed Starter
My L. tsingtauense is getting ready to bloom. I planted it from seed, only 3 germinated. The photos are not the best.

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I don't know if you can see it, 2 stalks each with 2 buds.
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Jun 4, 2013 2:11 AM CST
Name: Calin
Weston-super-mare UK (Zone 7b)
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Cool Michael. So... 2+2 = 4 buds Smiling
What happened to the other two seedlings?

Rick... I am not sure I see the color you see.
Maybe I can still see the blooms on my next visit.
Question... if you look at the first of three pics, you see one "double" plant, but yellow-ish.
What would be the reason?
Just because there's two from the same bulb (well, probably it's one dividing in two)... should I take a chance and lift them later on and separate them ?
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Jun 4, 2013 8:56 PM CST
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
Garden Photography The WITWIT Badge Seed Starter Wild Plant Hunter Region: Minnesota Hybridizer
Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
Yes, I did see that yellowish, too, Calin. Depending on the computer screen and camera used, photo colors can seem quite different from what they really are. This is why I left it up to you whether you think it is album or not. Only you know what the real color is. True albums shouldn't have any yellow, and especially shouldn't have any pink or purple tones that I thought I say in the buds in the last pic.

Michael, congratulations on getting any martagon section lily to bloom from seed! You will know if it is true L. tsingtauense if the blooms are completely upfacing and uniformly symmetrical. If they tilt or face out, then they are the natural cross of L. tsingtauense with L. medeoloides or L. distichum. This is what is most commonly (but erroneously) called L. tsingtauense. I've grown three different batches to flowering from three different sources of "L. tsingtauense" seed. None have turned out to be true. Still nice plants, though. I took this pic last week of the natural hybrid in my garden:

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