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Apr 5, 2016 4:27 PM CST
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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I agree Love the seedling bloom a lot! Lovey dubby
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Apr 5, 2016 8:57 PM CST
(Zone 6a)
I agree Lovely seedling! Congratulations on your first scapes. Hurray!
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Apr 6, 2016 11:01 AM CST
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Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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More new scapes on some of the plants, they are coming faster and faster, but I am trying hard to keep up with them.
So Many Stars:
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Sparks One Hot Mama:
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Magic Lake:
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Remembering Joan: Remembering Joan is in the back and a Purple NOID with a scape is in the front.
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Awesome Blossom:
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Also found rusty leaves on Awesome Blossom:
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Apr 6, 2016 6:09 PM CST
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Daylilies Hummingbirder Butterflies Seed Starter Container Gardener
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Larry - I have gotten far more picky about what I want to spare gardening space on. I do a pedigree search in the ATP Database on any cultivar and if I see any highly rust susceptible parents (or even grandparents), I pass on the cultivar. It has eliminated a LOT of cultivars for me .... but I am determined to breed for rust resistance. So I am trying to stick to my goal.

I had checked out Awesome Blossom recently, and saw that it had a 2.0 rust resistance rating. I've decided to stick to as close to a 1.0 rating as possible, so I dismissed that cultivar. I am finding that any cultivars with more than a 1.5 rating seem to develop enough rust that the foliage starts looking noticeably unattractive. Sorry to hear that it does indeed show rust. Sad It can still be used in hybridizing if you use a highly rust resistant cultivar to cross with it, as I am sure you've already thought of that!
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Apr 6, 2016 8:04 PM CST
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Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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I keep hoping warm weather will come soon and the plant will grow out of the rust stage when the blooms are actually on the plant. I am not sure even the 1.0 rust rated plants will be able to resist rust this year, we have had so much rain and now a lot of cool weather along with it. Makes for a perfect breeding ground for rust.
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Apr 7, 2016 10:12 AM CST
Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
Raises cows Enjoys or suffers hot summers Region: Texas Plant Identifier
'Tusk' is still the only one with certain scapes. The first scape of the three is now above the foliage. Wonder why it's so early compared to the others? I keep looking. I'm still {almost} positive that three of the seedlings are working at sending up a scape because they have extra growing points in the fans, but so far they remain in those fans. Nothing I can see on all those older plants with all the nice foliage Smiling .
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Apr 8, 2016 9:12 AM CST
Name: Betty
Bakersfield, CA
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I just couldn't resist taking this picture of SMILING COBRA this morning --

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And hopefully when it starts blooming the weather will have warmed up and the huge green throats will dominate the blooms -- hope hope!
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Apr 8, 2016 11:13 AM CST
(Zone 6a)
Betty, Crossing Fingers! for warm weather. I'd love to see pictures of your blooms when they open. It's a beautiful cultivar.
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Apr 8, 2016 11:49 AM CST
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Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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I found scapes this morning on Elizabeth Salter, Hot Wheels, Irish Envy, Mandalay Bay Music, and Mister Lucky but now the weather has turned off cool again, hope it doesn't stay this cool for long.
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Apr 8, 2016 4:08 PM CST
Name: Pat Strong
Stone Mountain (Zone 8a)
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Seedfork said:I found scapes this morning on Elizabeth Salter, Hot Wheels, Irish Envy, Mandalay Bay Music, and Mister Lucky but now the weather has turned off cool again, hope it doesn't stay this cool for long.


Larry, the weather has gotten cool here as well. Frost is expected for Sunday morning...not sure what effect this would have on scapes.
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Apr 8, 2016 5:10 PM CST
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Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Region: Alabama
Looks like just some cooler nights down in the mid to lower forties here, then after the weekend warming back up at least into the fifties.
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Apr 8, 2016 5:40 PM CST
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Daylilies Hummingbirder Butterflies Seed Starter Container Gardener
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I've got warm night temps and no scapes except Big Snowbird. Hmmmm ..... I had more scapes forming this time last year. Nothing right now ....
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Apr 8, 2016 6:25 PM CST
Name: Pat Strong
Stone Mountain (Zone 8a)
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Becky, I don't have any scapes yet, but I did pot plant a lot of new plants received from the Lily Auction. I think they will be okay because the cool temps should only last through the weekend. Most were huge triple fans, but I did get one tiny double fan of A Few Good Men that I may bring in overnight.
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Apr 9, 2016 12:14 AM CST
Name: Sue Petruske
Wisconsin (Zone 5a)
Seedfork said:Awesome Blossom:
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Also found rusty leaves on Awesome Blossom:
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Ohhh, so that's what it looks like. Bummer. I heard that it actually leaves a reddish color on your finger if you rub across it??? Never have seen it here in Wisconsin I guess because of our cold winters. We have to put up with 3" of snowfall (April 9th) with a predicted low temp of 19 degrees. I'm actually glad we got the snow cover to protect the daylilies a little bit at least.

It's nice to see all your scapes. Gives me something to look forward to. Hurray!
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Apr 9, 2016 5:59 AM CST
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Daylilies Hummingbirder Butterflies Seed Starter Container Gardener
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Sue - Yes, that does look like rust. Your cold winters should kill it off. It's more of a problem in the south.

Cool morning here. I love it!!! Good day for gardening. Hurray!
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Apr 11, 2016 8:29 AM CST
Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
Raises cows Enjoys or suffers hot summers Region: Texas Plant Identifier
Well, the shortest of the scapes on Tusk has reached the top of the foliage and one of the seedlings finally exposed the bud capsule so at least that one is definitely scaping. But if it does take 3-5 weeks for a new scape to show a bloom as I'm guessing, then I should be seeing 'expected' scapes instead of 'unexpected' if first bloom is going to correspond to the last several seasons. I haven't found a single scape on established clumps from the previous two years. Most of the plants look great, but they aren't in a hurry to scape. I hope they haven't decided to take a vacation this year.
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Apr 11, 2016 12:29 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
Composter Daylilies Garden Photography Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Garden Ideas: Master Level Plant Identifier
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Region: Alabama
I did have a few new scapes today, and I was checking to see how many named varieties I have with scapes so far, and how they compared to their listed bloom times.
I have twenty two so far total with scapes:
Only one is extra early
Only five are early
Ten are early-midseason
Five are listed as being Midseason
One plant 'So Many Stars' is listed as being Mid-late
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Apr 11, 2016 1:01 PM CST
Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
Raises cows Enjoys or suffers hot summers Region: Texas Plant Identifier
I've used the registered bloom time to check out the plants and look for forming scapes, but I'm not very confident that it's going to be completely reliable. In the time I've grown them 'Primal Scream' which is registered as 'ML' always starts bloom before 'Selma Longlegs' which is 'EM'. They were planted in identical containers at the same time and are located side by side, so they get everything the same at the same time - water, fertilize, sun.

On those I've had long enough to have overwintered outside before, I'm using the dates they started blooming here in 2015 which, in theory, should be more reliable. Most of those started in early to mid June, so there's plenty of time, but a few started in May from early to the end and those are the ones I keep watching thinking they should start scaping any day Big Grin . Mostly I think I'm just being impatient. I think I found one today that was new last summer and began blooming in July. I expect some of that. It was from a northern supplier and bloom last year was geared to the northern winter, not mine.

The seedling showing the scape came from an E pod parent, but the three possible pollen parents were EE, M, and ML. I'm not sure whether seedlings even correspond to their future timing anyway on initial bloom.
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Apr 11, 2016 6:29 PM CST
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Daylilies Hummingbirder Butterflies Seed Starter Container Gardener
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Birds Ponds
Donald - I am having the same issue. I had several blooming last year at this time in my seedling beds. Not this year. Just the registered Big Snowbird and it has several scapes and a number of blooms which is pretty darn good for a plant that I just received in December. But nothing from all the others in my garden. I am talking about over 200 + (probably more like 250-300) daylily plants. Of which, most are seedlings that bloomed last year.

I am really wondering if I may have over-hybridized them. I set a lot of pods last year. I wonder if that may stress the plants enough that they don't have the energy to bloom on time the following year. Or maybe there is something else to consider here. I just don't know.
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Apr 11, 2016 6:34 PM CST
Name: Barbalee
Amarillo, TX (Zone 6b)
Shocking! I have a scape on a plant from Wild & Son! The foilage is only about 4" tall, and the scape on Exotic Spider is about 7" tall. I'm totally shocked (and pleased). We'll see what happens now!
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