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Apr 22, 2016 9:25 PM CST
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For me, Buff Beauty repeats more frequently than Aloha.
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Apr 22, 2016 10:58 PM CST
Name: Sharlene Sutter
St. Gallen - Switzerland (Zone 6a)
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Thanks Mike but I was referring to the Kordes Aloha (Korwesrug), the Boerner Aloha is pink and I am looking for something more apricot/orange.

Sue - Crepuscule is really beautiful and I think it would be my first choice if it wasn't for the reports I have read that it isn't that winter hardy. The spot I want to fill is quite exposed. There isn't that much space left in our garden so when choosing a rose, it has to be the right one! We are planning to visit Sangerhausen Rosarium this summer so I will probably be able to see a whole lot in person before I make a choice.

Zuzu - thanks for the feedback. I think Buff Beauty is still at the top of my list although Sue's Autumn Sunset is also something to consider. The list grows!!
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Apr 22, 2016 11:28 PM CST
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And again, another Honey Perfume with Flowering Maple (Abutilon 'Halo')
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And we had wind and rain this morning and I found a few iris bloom stalks almost laying on the ground so cut them for the house. The vase is a vintage glass and silver coffee pot.
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Apr 22, 2016 11:56 PM CST
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The Kordes Aloha is also known as Aloha Hawaii, the one Mike was talking about. Just to add to your quandary, Sharlene, Autumn Sunset blooms more frequently than Buff Beauty or Aloha -- almost continuously, in fact.

Sue, that coffeepot vase is exquisite!
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Apr 23, 2016 12:57 AM CST
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And that's why I put it where I can see it when we sit in our family room!
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Apr 23, 2016 4:03 PM CST
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
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Love that coffee pot!

Some nice development of blooms on the newly planted Sunny Sky



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"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
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Apr 23, 2016 4:37 PM CST
Name: Molly McKinley
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Wow @calif_sue, that pure poetry looks like one I need to have. All your rose bushes are so big!. I am finally learning so much to get the best results, but how many years does it take to get them to be so large?

My friend Tieah @pinkbud came and took away one of my Mr Lincoln's. She's been craving long stem vigorous red roses. She got one in Mr Lincoln. We loaded it into my forerunner, left the door open at the back and drove really slow to her house. My Mr Lincoln "tree" is still here and starting to bloom. I sure don't know how to prune that one since it's 10 feet tall or more.

Of all the roses I bought last month, only one seems to have failed. Much better average than last year for sure.

Many of the roses, new and old are blooming. My only camera is my phone and a pain to down load to my desktop. It loads all sample pictures, emoticons and weird stuff. I'm thinking I should try to take picts with my tablet. Been working a lot the past several weeks and not a lot of time to struggle with uploads. I have to take time as often as I can to sit and watch the hummingbirds and butterflies. Basically, unwind and relax with natural wonders.
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Apr 23, 2016 6:02 PM CST
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX (Zone 9a)
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Neal, Sunny Sky is lovely, a cheerful rose - well named!
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Apr 23, 2016 11:23 PM CST
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@MollyMc, most of my roses were planted between 3-5 years ago.

On left of the arbor, Teasing Georgia was planted 2-2.5 years ago and on the right, Aloha was planted 5 years ago.
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I planted a raspberry New Zealand tea tree right behind the Aloha rose and have to keep pruning the side branches to keep it narrow but I love how it looks with the rose blooms.
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Apr 24, 2016 4:46 AM CST
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
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That's a stunning combo Suzanne! I love New Zealand Tea, I used to use it as a cut flower a lot.
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Apr 25, 2016 11:33 AM CST
Name: Cindi
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Once again , Sue, your garden is just stunning. I love the blend of so many types of plants.
I'm having an issue with 3 of my new bare root roses. Of the 3, 2 are own root, which may be part of the problem. They are Easter Basket and Liv Tyler. The third is grafted onto Huey, I assume. It's Bolero. Roses that I planted before and after these 3 are all leafing out just fine, as are the other 6 in that order. These 3 are doing nothing. They had decent roots when they arrived, nothing huge, but not freshly rooted, either. Typical 2 year old #1 roses. The canes are dying back very slowly. Should I dig them up and pot them? Or just keep watering and hovering over them? Maybe apply root hormone? Superthrive? Keep pruning them back? Really really want to save these roses, help!

After walking the yard and updating my messy spreadsheets, I have noticed a pattern. Own root roses, in 75% of the cases, do not catch up to other roses even after 3 years. I have Austins from Chamblee, and Austins from everyone else, and the own root ones are only a foot tall after 3 years. The others are monsters. On another forum, someone told me i should be potting all my Chamblee plants for the first season. Mark C told me that roses are not supposed to grow in pots, to definitely plant them in the ground right away. It's not just the Austins, either. Is it the harsh climate here? The absolute best roses for me are the ones grafted to multiflora, followed by Huey. The old garden roses of course do great own root, as do the Drift series.
Is there a reason I shouldn't buy rootstock and try budding my own roses onto multiflora to make them grow better? (Other than the patented ones, I get that.)
In other news, I found ground zero this weekend. A monstrous multiflora rose that we tried to kill 2 years ago has reappeared in our woods, and it had rose rosette. This time we really did kill it. It was surrounded by poison ivy, talk about EVIL! There was old barbed wire on the ground around it, and growing out of the thorny hedge tree next to it, so I'm guessing 100 years ago it was an impenetrable fence.
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Apr 25, 2016 12:09 PM CST
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
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Glad you took care of that potential horror! I don't have anything to offer about the non performing new roses, I don't recall ever seeing that (aside from an occasional attempted rescue of a bagged rose). I've had one Austin from Chamblee's achieve some size- Tess of the d'Urbervilles that I lost to RRD, so I got another one from them this spring. Molineaux that I got from them several years ago has been like you describe- it is only slightly larger now than when I received it.

I'm also tempted to try my hand at budding onto multiflora rootstocks- nothing to lose, and lots to gain!

I found a forgotten rose a couple of days ago, Dortmund was growing in a bed I used to use as a nursery bed and holding spot for things I wasn't ready to permanently place in the garden. That bed is a mess and has been overtaken by Johnson grass. I had completely forgotten about poor little Dortmund! Still hanging in there, so I dug it and moved it to a new bed I'm working on. It didn't have many roots, but has managed not to wilt. It has a cane about 30" long with a couple of buds- I should probably cut it back, but until it wilts I think I'll leave it.
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
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Apr 25, 2016 12:12 PM CST
Name: Rita
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Sprayed the roses this morning with the systemic fungicide. It was really easy to do as the roses are still really low to the ground from the usual big spring pruning.

No buds formed as yet but nice new green leaves and growth. At my garden the big Spring flush usually is around June 19th although I have noticed it is getting slightly earlier than that these past two years.
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Apr 25, 2016 12:18 PM CST
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
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They've been starting in May here the last few years. I remember June being the time of big, first flush, but buds start showing in April the last few years. Its nice having roses blooming with the irises and peonies Lovey dubby
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Apr 25, 2016 12:19 PM CST
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Did all three come from the same place, Cindi? Are all three planted in the same bed?

I bought three Weeks roses from a local nursery last year and all three did the same thing. They were planted in three different parts of my garden and all three started dying back from the top and never stopped. I had been shopping with a friend that day, and she also bought three roses there. All three of hers did the same thing. I never figured out what happened to make them do that. It's as if someone at the nursery or in the growing field had sprayed them with a slow-acting pesticide.
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Apr 25, 2016 12:24 PM CST
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
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Sounds like something went wrong either in harvesting the plants or during cold storage. Shrug!
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Apr 25, 2016 12:32 PM CST
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It was puzzling and I think it happened after those stages in my case. Mine weren't bare root. They had been potted up in 3-gallon Weeks pots and had plenty of new foliage on every cane when I bought them. It wasn't the planting medium either, because I promptly shook all of that off the roses and planted them in the garden the same day I bought them. I took the same steps I've taken with countless roses that have survived and thrived, but these didn't.
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Apr 25, 2016 12:40 PM CST
Name: Mika
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Cindi, did you plant the roses in a place where there had been roses before? If yes, it could be replant disease (also known as soil sickness).
Here's a link to the RHS website where they give advice on what to do:

https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/...
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Apr 25, 2016 12:40 PM CST
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
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How odd, very puzzling.

Cindi, your roses never grew leaves, right?
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Apr 25, 2016 2:08 PM CST
Name: Cindi
Wichita, Kansas (Zone 7a)
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The 3 dormant roses have not even a smidge of growth.
They are in different area of the yard, a good 500 feet apart, and the roses near them are all growing robustly.
The only thing they have in common is they all came from the same online reputable nursery, in the same shipment. The other 6 in that shipment leafed out just last week. Other orders I received the week before and the week after have all leafed out. They act like they are in a deep sleep. We've had plenty of warm weather and a couple of good rainfalls. Easter Basket has not gotten as much water as the other two because it's farther out in the yard, but even body bags next to it are growing.
If it weren't so windy here all the time, I would build a tent over them and try to keep a warm mist on them. If i have to, I suppose I could dig them, pot them, and build a misting tent in the sunroom.
Is Secret a difficult rose to grow? It appears mine is declining. Two different plants of Veterans Honor are slowly dying too. What is it with HTs?
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