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Dec 28, 2012 6:59 PM CST
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Name: Anthony Weeding
Rosetta,Tasmania,Australia (Zone 7b)
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Look at the 'marbled' effect on this 'Pink Parasol"Thumb of 2012-12-29/gwhizz/baca46
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Dec 28, 2012 7:08 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Anthony Weeding
Rosetta,Tasmania,Australia (Zone 7b)
idont havemuch-but ihave everything
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Region: Australia Lilies Seed Starter Bulbs
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Pendants everywhereThumb of 2012-12-29/gwhizz/dcb8f4
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Dec 28, 2012 8:15 PM CST
Name: Polly Kinsman
Hannibal, NY (Zone 6a)

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Love the pendants!
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Dec 29, 2012 4:46 AM CST
Name: della
hobart, tasmania
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Photo Contest Winner: 2015
I agree Pendants Lovey dubby

But the poor, beautiful Pink Parasol... seems to be virused. *runs and hides* I hope it's not taboo to say that >>
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Dec 29, 2012 8:33 AM CST
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
Garden Photography The WITWIT Badge Seed Starter Wild Plant Hunter Region: Minnesota Hybridizer
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dellac said: I agree Pendants Lovey dubby
But the poor, beautiful Pink Parasol... seems to be virused. *runs and hides* I hope it's not taboo to say that >>


Not taboo here, and I agree. Although I do understand your hesitation, being relatively new. I'm not up on all the hybrids, but I can't imagine anyone actually wanting that anyway - even me! Smiling

A casualty you won't even miss among your vast floral zoo, Anthony.
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers. - Socrates
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Dec 29, 2012 9:22 AM CST
Name: Lorn (Roosterlorn)
S.E Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
Bee Lover Lilies Pollen collector Seed Starter Region: Wisconsin
Well, I wouldn't jump too fast. This particular Pink Parosol may be moreso susceptable to environmental stress. I know the weather patterns there have been abrupt and quite extreme this past Spring. I've seen this color breaking condition before here on occasion with first year or second year blooming plants, then to find out as time went on the flowers were entirely normal in succeeding years, either as the plants got older or soil environmental conditions became more favorable. I strongly suspect by association that soil temperature cycle combinations of 'too hot, too cold and wet and dry bring this on as well. And potted plants are more prone to abrupt changes so it might be environmental. I would just move this potted plant 'out back' and wait another year.
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Dec 29, 2012 2:15 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Anthony Weeding
Rosetta,Tasmania,Australia (Zone 7b)
idont havemuch-but ihave everything
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Dont think so[virus]!-I'll wait until the other ones open...
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Dec 29, 2012 4:08 PM CST
Name: Øystein Hermansen
Østfold,Norway (Zone 5b)
It's great to enjoy your lilies when our garden are full of snow. I really miss the fragrance from the lilies. Only 6 months left before my lilies are blooming too. I really like those pendant lilies.
Ille bra,se.
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Dec 29, 2012 6:32 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Anthony Weeding
Rosetta,Tasmania,Australia (Zone 7b)
idont havemuch-but ihave everything
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Della, I wouldnt go near 'Camdale' or you'll be lynched Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! [only jokin mon!!!]Thumb of 2012-12-30/gwhizz/decfe7
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Dec 29, 2012 7:08 PM CST
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
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You could be right, Lorn, about Pink Parasol. But one has to take into consideration also, that viral symptoms sometimes only show during certain conditions, like hot weather, for instance. Viral diagnosis can be quite muddy. I'd be more inclined to do the waiting game for a year in your or my garden, where there is room to do some segregating, but Anthony is wall to wall lilies.

I would certainly wait and see how the other buds bloom, but given the possible consequences in such a jam-packed monoculture of lilies, I'd be more careful than normal.
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Dec 29, 2012 7:53 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Anthony Weeding
Rosetta,Tasmania,Australia (Zone 7b)
idont havemuch-but ihave everything
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Region: Australia Lilies Seed Starter Bulbs
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Rick, virus ,I suspect not..very vigorous growth, its been in full sun and that is a bred[unregistered ] lily......but as you all are saying ''better to err''- I do have a[small] 3 walled area -facing east for suss growers! Thumbs up
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Dec 29, 2012 8:21 PM CST
Name: Lorn (Roosterlorn)
S.E Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
Bee Lover Lilies Pollen collector Seed Starter Region: Wisconsin
So true, Rick. I believe viral symptoms express themselves more readily during extreme environmental conditions. I'm hoping Anthony has more than one plant of Pink Parasol so we can compare. We'll see what we learn when the other buds open, as well. You were right Rick--around here, I would stick the plant someplace remote/out of sight and keep it around another year just to see what I learn from it.
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Dec 30, 2012 5:30 AM CST
Name: della
hobart, tasmania
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Photo Contest Winner: 2015
Mmm... Glad everyone has sensible input. Didn't want to start a panic - from sad experience I've just seen lilies succumb with markings like that, and was worried. Here's fingers crossed for false alarm!
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Dec 30, 2012 7:56 AM CST
Name: Lorn (Roosterlorn)
S.E Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
Bee Lover Lilies Pollen collector Seed Starter Region: Wisconsin
Della, I think there can be many false alarms with lilies, especially with younger seedlings grown in pots. When your temperature shot up to 32'C, I'll bet the soil temp in some pots in full sun approached near 40. I think that plays havoc with a lilies body chemical processes. Add to that the additional stress of budding and blooming.

But my knowledge only comes from growing experience and association. You didn't start a panic--this is a constructive open discussion from which we all learn. We often do this here; somebody will hilite a feature and a discussion developes. Over time, ( if you haven't already) you'll learn that 99.9% of the time, Rick with his extensive academic background as well as growing experience is most correct in his summary and conclusion.

Another causual factor might be genetic, too, where heat stress just made it more apparent. Rick, would I be correct in thinking that?
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Dec 30, 2012 1:27 PM CST
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
Garden Photography The WITWIT Badge Seed Starter Wild Plant Hunter Region: Minnesota Hybridizer
Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
Roosterlorn said:Another causal factor might be genetic, too, where heat stress just made it more apparent. Rick, would I be correct in thinking that?


Oh yes, definitely, and remember too, that we talk about virus as a single entity, when in fact there are hundreds (at least), each having the propensity to affect symptom outcomes, as well as having different symptoms all together. In other words, there is no all encompassing symptom or set of symptoms for diagnosis. Even though red skin spots in humans can mean many things, I wish it was as easy as "if you have chicken pox, then you will have red spots".

Someone gave me Orange Electric a few years back. (This is the one that always seems to look virused.) For myself, I decided to trash it. I still wonder if it is a cultivar that is virused. I just didn't think it was worth the chance, and I thought it was not that pretty anyway.

Regarding false alarms, many of us "seasoned" participants will remember the famous thread "Magnolia Cries" from DG. If you're still a member there, you can see it here:
From her earlier days as a lily enthusiast, we all learned a lot in that thread.
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers. - Socrates
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Dec 30, 2012 4:34 PM CST
Name: Lorn (Roosterlorn)
S.E Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
Bee Lover Lilies Pollen collector Seed Starter Region: Wisconsin
Rick, I went back and read the whole thread. Very interesting! It makes one wonder how much more we'll learn (from each other) over the next few years and how our knowledge of what we know can help a new lilium enthusiast. I so much regret now not joining these forums much earlier because adding my 2 cents worth practical knowledge by association of what works and what doesn't work, ie what to do and not to do, etc. might have been helpful back then. When I finished reading, I was truly regretful. I know there are many other long time lily growers out there who, for whatever reason, choose to remain private and secretive in their hobby and work as I once was. They would have so much more to add.
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Dec 30, 2012 9:39 PM CST
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
Garden Photography The WITWIT Badge Seed Starter Wild Plant Hunter Region: Minnesota Hybridizer
Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
It's helped a lot to have the same username across different forums - DG, GW, ATP, NARGS, SRGC ...
People recognize my name, and more than once in real life I've had someone come up to me at some plant society gathering and say, "So you're Leftwood, I'm very happy to meet you!". (Someone else had clued them in, putting my face and Leftwood together.) In fact, one was a person I alluded to when we were talking about waterbabies. Anyway, I encourage them to participate, as they have obviously already been to the forum site(s), but none have taken me up on it. Sad Apparently, I come up on Google every once in a while, too.
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers. - Socrates
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Jan 4, 2013 6:12 PM CST
Name: Lorn (Roosterlorn)
S.E Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
Bee Lover Lilies Pollen collector Seed Starter Region: Wisconsin
That one lankon you put in the files IS a lot darker--the darkest I've seen! Did you have any bud damage from the heat?
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Jan 4, 2013 6:15 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Anthony Weeding
Rosetta,Tasmania,Australia (Zone 7b)
idont havemuch-but ihave everything
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Region: Australia Lilies Seed Starter Bulbs
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Some worse than others..I only have ,so much shade, ...many have already been dragged into the 'bowels' of the garage,.
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Jan 4, 2013 7:50 PM CST
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
Garden Photography The WITWIT Badge Seed Starter Wild Plant Hunter Region: Minnesota Hybridizer
Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
Ditto on the darkness of Lankon. I would have thought the heat would drain the color.

So Anthony, with that dark one just opening(?), did it lighten to the color of the others as it matured?
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers. - Socrates

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