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Feb 13, 2010 8:07 AM CST
Name: Melissa E. Keyes
St. Croix, U.S. Virgin Islands
Zone 11+
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Andi, changes in the reef is a complete understatement. They are dying. Since I began diving in the seventies, there is only about fifteen percent left of what there was in the Caribbean. Sometimes I get so depressed, if I let myself, I start crying while I dive past the desolation that once was thriving.

In the summer of 2005, there was a warming event, they call it, here in the US Virgins, and the surrounding islands. The whole sea got four degrees too hot, all the way to past safe diving limits of 130 feet deep. Four degrees doesn't sound like much, but the equivalent on land might be ?? fifty degrees hotter, I'd guess. About 80% of the corals here died. Colonies that were mature when Christopher Columbus was sailing around died.

In this photo, which is a normal coral head here, I see one living bit down in front, and another on the left, and one tall sponge, and one encrusting sponge. If this was a proper healthy coral head, there would be dozens of corals, sponges, sea fans, all fighting for a little bit of room to grow. and lots of fish.

A healthy reef is the most amazing sight, but if there are any left on Earth, I don't know. Corals are animals, they don't make viable seeds that can last through adversity, they spawn fragile eggs.

On land, if a plot is bulldozed, plants quickly regrow. On the coral reef, if it's killed, it silts over, and stays dead.

I take photos of what's still alive. I just swim past the rest.

Sorry.

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Feb 13, 2010 8:20 AM CST
Name: Melissa E. Keyes
St. Croix, U.S. Virgin Islands
Zone 11+
Charter ATP Member
Jim, THANK YOU for getting me off the reef miseries!!

DR looking bad, I'd been watering a lot, dumped out the pot earlier today, and WOW< goo! Fungus? Toadstool in the making? Bleah!

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Feb 13, 2010 8:23 AM CST
Name: Jim Cook
South Florida
Oh Melissa, I didn't mean to get you off, I love those pictures you post, don't stop. Hey, Any reason we can't do both? Confused
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Feb 13, 2010 8:28 AM CST
Name: Melissa E. Keyes
St. Croix, U.S. Virgin Islands
Zone 11+
Charter ATP Member
Ha, you didn't read my long post, did you?

Here's the DR repotted in almost completely dry mix, after a quick dip in a good old, weak, Superthrive bath. I sure hope it gets better. Ugh, I hate surprises like that. I guess there weren't enough roots to absorb the moisture.

Jim, click the blue, "Please visit my Coral Reef Blog" down at the bottom of this post. Lots of fun UnderWater pictures there.

Melissa
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Feb 13, 2010 8:34 AM CST
Name: Jim Cook
South Florida
Ha! You didn't read where I said that I visited your link and found it so very impressive did you Sticking tongue out . If you mentioned above about the size of the pot you transferred your baby's from and into what size pot I missed it. Guilty. I'm going to go back and re-read, can't believe I didn't pay attention.
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Feb 13, 2010 8:38 AM CST
Name: Melissa E. Keyes
St. Croix, U.S. Virgin Islands
Zone 11+
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No size mentioned. A store bought, not a WQF baby. The pot was a short 6" orchid pot, with slash-holes in the sides. 2/3 pearlite soil mix. Plenty of air, just no roots yet. These plants are SO FICKLE!!! lol

OK, about your visit, I don't remember much... I just like to keep here for DRs.

Melissa
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Feb 13, 2010 10:39 AM CST
Name: JT Sessions
Milton,Fl.
Charter ATP Member Forum moderator Garden Ideas: Level 1
jimsned2 said:Hi folks, will some one mention when they take a seedling out of the 3" pot and re pot it. .


Wait until the pot begins to bulge or split.These plants do seem to like being a little pot bound.
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Feb 13, 2010 10:44 AM CST
Name: Jim Cook
South Florida
Ahh, at last, thank you J.T. How old can I expect them to be (in a 3"pot from seed) before they get that large?
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Feb 13, 2010 2:12 PM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
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Doris I am going to go back and get one. I was told to just work carefully until all is removed and them repot. Yes, this one said Bonsi on the tag also. I couldn't get over how big they were.
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Feb 13, 2010 5:32 PM CST
Name: Melissa E. Keyes
St. Croix, U.S. Virgin Islands
Zone 11+
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Push come yo shove, Lynn, get a wood carving tool. They make one that's like a tiny scoop.
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Feb 13, 2010 5:36 PM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
Forum moderator I helped beta test the first seed swap Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant and/or Seed Trader Garden Ideas: Master Level
My husband has carving tools. Good idea. Will let you all know how it goes. Just hope they still have them when go back.
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Feb 13, 2010 7:57 PM CST
Name: JT Sessions
Milton,Fl.
Charter ATP Member Forum moderator Garden Ideas: Level 1
Valleylynn,If your husband is like I am about my carving tools,that might not be a good idea :>)
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Feb 13, 2010 7:59 PM CST
Name: JT Sessions
Milton,Fl.
Charter ATP Member Forum moderator Garden Ideas: Level 1
For jimsned2,move them up just before they do this.These are now in larger pots.

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Feb 13, 2010 8:22 PM CST
Name: Melissa E. Keyes
St. Croix, U.S. Virgin Islands
Zone 11+
Charter ATP Member
WOW, JT! but then you have how many to fiddle with?

Say, what size were they when you put those two in their pots? Where'd the potting mix go??

And, I see both of those still have their central 'trunk', but one has right puny limbs, whereas the other, on the right in the photo, is very 'stemmy' Just different varieties of Adeniums?
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Feb 13, 2010 9:23 PM CST
Name: JT Sessions
Milton,Fl.
Charter ATP Member Forum moderator Garden Ideas: Level 1
I start the seed in these 3 inch pots.Different varieties.The one on the right is Obesum and the other is Arabicum.Arabicums tend to be shorter and to put out more branches lower on the trunk.
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Feb 13, 2010 9:44 PM CST
Name: Melissa E. Keyes
St. Croix, U.S. Virgin Islands
Zone 11+
Charter ATP Member
Oh, I was suspicious of that. Is there any way to tell what one is? ha.

I've seen where you can buy the seed by the thousand, do you do that? Just curious.
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Feb 13, 2010 9:44 PM CST
Name: Melissa E. Keyes
St. Croix, U.S. Virgin Islands
Zone 11+
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Feb 14, 2010 2:17 PM CST
Name: JT Sessions
Milton,Fl.
Charter ATP Member Forum moderator Garden Ideas: Level 1
Melissa,I did buy them by the thousands for a couple of years.Now they produce enough to keep the supply going.Last year was a good seed year thanks to Wilfred.His method works.If anyone is interested in purchasing seed on Ebay,I highly recommend Adenium_Ko.I had excellent germination with his seed and not so good with some others.Freshness seems to be the key to good germination.
How to tell the difference?it's easy if you can see them together.There are differences in the caudex between Arabicum and Obesum.Arabicum is cone shaped while Obesum is round.Somalense falls somewhere in between.There are marked differences in the leaves of all three.
I will start a locked thread showing pictures of the differences when I have time.I think I have all 8 or 9 species.
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Feb 14, 2010 6:54 PM CST
Name: Melissa E. Keyes
St. Croix, U.S. Virgin Islands
Zone 11+
Charter ATP Member
Super, JT! Am looking forward to seeing your photos.

Some at our Ag Fair today--- Umm, in the back. Upstaged by bougainvillea.

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Feb 14, 2010 8:08 PM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
Forum moderator I helped beta test the first seed swap Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant and/or Seed Trader Garden Ideas: Master Level
JT, my DH wants to know what you carve? He has an old tool he said I can use. : )
He makes Native American flutes and hand carves the birds that are used over the nest.
The birds actually not always a bird, can be differnt animals, etc. But all are called birds.

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