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Feb 27, 2010 7:13 AM CST
Name: Penney or PJ Wood
Orange Park FL
Good Morning everyone. I have some questions about lawn care for my husband, if it were up to me it would be all wildflowers or something like that. But my DH need lawn to cut and maintain. We bought a riding lawn mower for that purpose. So our lawn is all weeds even though we have tried bonus S to get rid of the weeds for southern lawns on a regular basis. We have not resodded as we have seen neighbors do this and it seemed a waste of money as the weeds came right back. We are on a tight budget but do love to landscape and make our place look good. Some people swear by the zoysia grass plugs some say its a waste of money some say the only thing to grow is st augustine. Yard is 90% sand or so it seems will anything grow here? I looked for a lawn forum but couldn't find one.
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Feb 27, 2010 7:49 AM CST
Name: Jim Cook
South Florida
Hi Penny, boy can I sympathize, I re-sodded my lawn at great expense 4 years ago, now, nothing but weeds. I think a lot of it was my own fault. I never noticed on the feed and weed bag that it warns not to use on certain kind of grasses. I forgot what kind of grass I had put down. Now I have a few blades of grass among the weeds. Given our dry and wet seasons I think that I'd only have a "nice" lawn if I used a professional lawn service and they are very rare to find. Most of these guys are fly by night lawn cutters and couldn't care less about the quality of your lawn or garden. That's why I cut my lawn myself. If I make a mistake it's nobody's fault but mine. I agree with some one from DG who said he's given up on the perfect lawn thing and as long as it's green who cares. Good luck in trying to establish your lawn. Rolling my eyes.
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Feb 27, 2010 11:33 AM CST
Name: Jim Bailey
DeLand, Fla (Zone 9a)
Penny- If you really want to know whats going on with the yard, you need to take a couple soil samples to your nearest Ag. center for some tests. It only costs a couple bucks.
No use putting a lot of time and money in grass if there's something wrong with the soil. The reason I say this is because you mentioned that the yard is mainly sand, which means even the weeds aren't growing very well. Something not right there.

Another question--is the yard mostly sunny or shady? St. Augustine for the most part likes full sun, although there are strains of it that are adaptable to shade, like palmetto or bitter-blue. There's even a new one called Captiva that grows in full shade.

If the soil turns out to be o.k. and re-sodding the whole yard is out of the question, start with pieces of sod(1x2 ft.) that you can lay down in a checker-board pattern and fill in the empty spaces with top soil--which is pretty cheap also. You must keep it moist for the first week or so until it takes root. I wouldn't worry about laying sod now because its still too cold and most grass is dormant until the soil reaches and stays at least 65 degrees day and night.

I have found that there are certain weed killers made specifically for St. Augustine grasses, and if you use just any old weed killer for "southern lawns" it will do more harm than good. I use a product called" Atrazine"--brand name" Image" that you can buy pre-mixed that works very well. You spray it on and then a week later you do it again. This is a good time of year to do that before the weeds really take off. Now if you get rid of the weeds and just let the soil stay empty of vegetation your weeds will come back.

Also the U of Fla has found that a fertilizer of something like 10-0-10 or 16-4-8 with 4% magnesium which is more like something you'd use for palms, works really well for St. Augustine about 4 times a year--smaller(lighter) feedings instead of a couple times a year (spring/fall) of heavy feedings. This stuff is not cheap. The only company I've found that makes it is Lesco-a pro landscape business that deals mainly with big-time horticulture guys.
I buy a good 16-4-8 at Lowe's and add my own Mg.-about a pound per 25 pound bag of fert. Get yourself a good pull-behind spreader and hook it to the back of your new riding mower--makes the job real easy.

All grasses have their own special problems, with ST. Augustine its chinch bugs or a brown spot fungus and dollar weed. Pesticide for chinch bug is pretty easy to use and easy to prevent them, the fungus and dollarweed (an aquatic weed) comes about from too much water. Copper fungicides on the hose-end sprayer work good as well, but you have to keep after it until its gone. Just spraying it when you happen to remember will not do! It takes a regimented schedule to have a nice yard. My garden calender
is full of stuff to remember and do for the whole year!!

Hope I didn't scare you into concreteing the whole yard and painting it green!!!! Whistling
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Feb 27, 2010 12:24 PM CST
Name: Nancy or \"Hap\"
Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Region: United Kingdom Charter ATP Member Dog Lover Region: Florida Tropicals
Hi,

Anyone remember me? I'm the long-lost, Hap.

Still getting around the new-fangled site and I like what I see. Won't leave DG, though.

Thanks for asking my where-abouts.

Hugs.
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Feb 27, 2010 2:10 PM CST
Name: Jim Cook
South Florida
Hi Nancy, again , it's good to see you here. I still go to DG also, but be persistent and you'll be flying around here quickly. Hurray!
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Feb 27, 2010 5:06 PM CST
Name: Penney or PJ Wood
Orange Park FL
Thanks Jim in Deland and Jim in south florida. We have no idea what type of lawn or grass it used to be mostly now dollar weed and sand spurs ouch!. I was just surfing and found out that yes the first thing we need to do is get a PH reading first to see what additives we need. My DH just wants to rottatil it up and add top soil and plant seed. I told him that won't work for a long term lawn. Soil test first then ammend the soil as needed. I was looking at the argentine bahi grass. First had thought zoysia then read up on it then read up on ST augustine grass. Neither fit our needs. We have some shade due to the neighbors litterly liking the Jungle look on the property line. But mostly sun.
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Feb 27, 2010 7:15 PM CST
Name: Jim Bailey
DeLand, Fla (Zone 9a)
yes-soil test first-may need a lot of stuff--may not need much at all. Bahai is the cheapest and will withstand drought a lot better.
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Mar 1, 2010 9:43 AM CST
Name: Sidney McCollum
Okeechobee, Fl (Zone 10a)
Charter ATP Member
Whistling Happy Birthday Jan Whistling
The best is yet to come!
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Mar 1, 2010 1:51 PM CST
Name: Rene
Wauchula Fl.
God is good, all the time!!!
Happy Birthday to you!!!! Hurray! Hurray! Thumbs up

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Mar 3, 2010 3:05 PM CST
Name: Madeleine Alwi
Kissimmee Fl.
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I have arrived at last! Nice to see you all again Big Grin
Madeleine
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Mar 3, 2010 3:27 PM CST
Name: Monika
Lakeland, Florida
Charter ATP Member
Awfully quiet in here.
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Mar 3, 2010 4:10 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Jan
St. Pete,FL
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Everyone is probably too cold to move. Grumbling
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Mar 3, 2010 6:42 PM CST
Name: Jim Bailey
DeLand, Fla (Zone 9a)
speaking of cold--its now official- this has been the coldest winter ever recorded in DeLand with an average temp for jan/feb of 51.3
isn't that just wonderful.........................I'm so happy I could just puke.... Thumbs down
seemama- welcome aboard! Hows the weather down there-probably not much different than here.................
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Mar 3, 2010 7:12 PM CST
Name: Sandy Coffman
Jacksonville, Florida
I helped plan and beta test the plant database. Forum moderator Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Region: Florida Dog Lover
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Who moved me out of Florida when I was not looking?????

Sandy
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Mar 3, 2010 7:29 PM CST
Name: Monika
Lakeland, Florida
Charter ATP Member
wren said:Who moved me out of Florida when I was not looking?????

Sandy



I think it was the same one who moved me. I keep wondering where I am...lol
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Mar 3, 2010 7:43 PM CST
Name: Sandy Coffman
Jacksonville, Florida
I helped plan and beta test the plant database. Forum moderator Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Region: Florida Dog Lover
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It will be going down into the very low 30's for the next 4 days. High's will be only in to the 60's for the next few days. I am very, very cold. My joints hurt.

Sandy
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Mar 3, 2010 7:50 PM CST
Name: Jim Bailey
DeLand, Fla (Zone 9a)
wren- I can relate to what your saying. My body is just sore because I'm so "tensed-up" from the cold all the time. I haven't used a electric blanket in years, but now its the only time I really get warm-when I'm in bed!!
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Mar 3, 2010 7:51 PM CST
Name: Sandy Coffman
Jacksonville, Florida
I helped plan and beta test the plant database. Forum moderator Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Region: Florida Dog Lover
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I think I am going to buy one!!!!!

Sandy
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Mar 3, 2010 7:54 PM CST
Name: Jim Bailey
DeLand, Fla (Zone 9a)
It has been the best thing this year...
turn it on about a half hour before you go to bed, and when you climb in-Aahhh----its so toasty, all the way down to your feet!!
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Mar 3, 2010 8:13 PM CST
Name: Sidney McCollum
Okeechobee, Fl (Zone 10a)
Charter ATP Member
Hilarious! I know what you mean.
Do any of you do http://www.wunderground.com/cg... ?
That of course will take you to my weather page. Just put in your zip.
Anyhow at the bottom of the main page is a list of private weather stations.
It hides access to all sorts of records.
I was able to see that in 2008 we had 45.2" rain and last year 99.62".
I also can see from their graphs when the temperature went down to too cold for Coleus. LOL
Under that are statistics for every day that year.
How neat is that?
;)
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